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    I'm obsessed with depth, and often feel stuck in my own depths.

    I can close my eyes and feel pure Feeling that excludes all else. When I'm in the right mood, I can be highly empathic feeling someone's feelings as if they were my own... but that takes effort and so mostly I keep to my own depths.

    I like INFJs to a great extent. Many of my close relationships are with INFJs. I'm very fascinated with Ni, and even the Fe as they use it is endearing to a slight extent.

    I sorta understand why some might think of it that way, but I've never thought about INFJs lacking depth. I would've thought that Ni's connection to the unconscious would be experienced just as deep as Fi. I guess that tertiary Thinking makes a big difference.

    INFPs may be deep, but INFJs always seem sincere to me. INFPs can be quite self-concerned and self-contained in their depths.

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    It a different sort of depth between Fi and Ni. INFPs I believe have a strong sense of emotional grounding. From that, they derive their convections and firm believes. As an INFJ looking at them with Fe, the depth comes from how they're sure about Feelings... being able to just experience them by themselves... whereas we feel things vicariously using Fe. We don't feel... not really. Fe in its fullest reflects the perceived feelings almost before the other person is aware of their feelings. Yet none of this will appear if we're just by ourselves. Not without Fi. So it always feel as if the feelings aren't really genuine. I'm envious of INFPs freedom in Fi.

    The depth in Ni is rooted in ideas. The building of ideas together into one complete 'theory' for the lack of better words. An INTP told me once discussing ideas with me was rewarding because of the Ni - Ne interaction. The depth comes from synthesis of a whole that Ne never considered. And thus a XNXP view us as deep.

    The two types of depth are completely different though. It's nice to appreciate each other's gifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    It a different sort of depth between Fi and Ni. INFPs I believe have a strong sense of emotional grounding. From that, they derive their convections and firm believes. As an INFJ looking at them with Fe, the depth comes from how they're sure about Feelings... being able to just experience them by themselves... whereas we feel things vicariously using Fe. We don't feel... not really. Fe in its fullest reflects the perceived feelings almost before the other person is aware of their feelings. Yet none of this will appear if we're just by ourselves. Not without Fi. So it always feel as if the feelings aren't really genuine. I'm envious of INFPs freedom in Fi.

    The depth in Ni is rooted in ideas. The building of ideas together into one complete 'theory' for the lack of better words. An INTP told me once discussing ideas with me was rewarding because of the Ni - Ne interaction. The depth comes from synthesis of a whole that Ne never considered. And thus a XNXP view us as deep.

    The two types of depth are completely different though. It's nice to appreciate each other's gifts.
    Feeling so deeply and directly probably has it's own pains and drawbacks for INFP's. Although it can make me feel lacking since I desire most of all to find the deeper meaning of things, to feel according to something higher. Here's a post I wrote in reply to wildcat once (I tried to write it the way he writes hoping that it might facilitate communication, so it may be difficult to understand. I'll explain any thing that isn't clear.)

    But I do hope that we can learn to appreciate them, although we experience things so differently in some ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    So, Fe covers all of Fi? Not exactly. On the outside, yes. But from the observer's perspective? No. The missing element? Direct experience of the emotion by the observer. It's felt by the others, and can be internally confirmed by the observer via their reflections and ideas, even written, but never seen directly on the internal level. We can easily know what we are feeling, and are driven to know. But we can only know, not feel. The advantage? Awareness of what others are feeling. Does Fi exist in Fe's? Technically yes. But we aren't directly aware of it. The Intuitive is luckier, though. Intuition acts as the best mirror.

    How do we know that waves exist outside the visible spectrum if we can't see them? By the effect they have on objects attuned to their presence.

    How did Newton discover gravity? Did he see it with his eyes? No. He saw the apple fall, and inferred gravity from the impact it had upon the apple.

    The reason we constantly output emotion is in hopes that another will reflect it back. Holding a forward-directed flashlight, desperate for mirrors, but all the mirrors are slightly flawed, curved, or dim. So we need several to get a glimpse of ourselves.

    So, Fe is feeling projected onto the object, reflected back. What you believed covered Fi was only the reflection of it.
    So, INFP's... please remember when we seem to be gushing or shallow at times, that we have to express emotion and experience a response first to really feel it. It isn't just there to be seen and built on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_snumeister View Post
    my friend reckons she isn't being genuine and "appears deeper than she is" but there's no doubt infps are deep. maybe "values" just don't count for much to her...
    I have recieved these vibes and even snarky underhanded comments from people often in my life. Mostly from Te dom types or ES.

    My husband's brother told him in no uncertain terms during our dating that I was not who I presented myself as and that I was merely minicking back to him what he wanted most to hear and believe about me. The first time BIL met me, he looked me up and down and then got this huge frown on his face like I was the worst person he ever met. That bugged me for a lng time, I wondered what he saw that he did not like. I still do.

    Brother in law also informed me on day of our wedding that he believed this about me, that I was just presenting an image my husband wanted to see and believe in. Then he told me that he knew my husband wished he had a prettier wife but was too softhearted and taken in by me to say it...*sigh* He really had an issue with me and appeared to be this same type of thing you are talking about, sorry to ramble, brought back a memory is all.

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    Heart, for many I'm best an imaginary character rather than a real person; when it comes to us some just find it hard to swallow the red pill...
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    Ugh, Heart, how insulting to both of you! And on your wedding day.

    I've had the pleasure of raising an Fi dominant child for the past almost 13 years. She has been like she is always, so I know it's for real. I feel for her sometimes, being that . . . feeling. Sometimes I can barely bear it vicariously, so I can't imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    Feeling so deeply and directly probably has it's own pains and drawbacks for INFP's. Although it can make me feel lacking since I desire most of all to find the deeper meaning of things, to feel according to something higher. Here's a post I wrote in reply to wildcat once (I tried to write it the way he writes hoping that it might facilitate communication, so it may be difficult to understand. I'll explain any thing that isn't clear.)

    But I do hope that we can learn to appreciate them, although we experience things so differently in some ways.
    That was my intent... win some, lose some... freedom to feel means to feel everything. As much as I would like to feel Fi... I doubt I can handle their emotional pains. Oh and envy really isn't as bad a thing as people imagine it to be...

    I appreciate... and hope that I can draw on their skills sometimes.


    So, Fe covers all of Fi? Not exactly. On the outside, yes. But from the observer's perspective? No. The missing element? Direct experience of the emotion by the observer. It's felt by the others, and can be internally confirmed by the observer via their reflections and ideas, even written, but never seen directly on the internal level. We can easily know what we are feeling, and are driven to know. But we can only know, not feel. The advantage? Awareness of what others are feeling. Does Fi exist in Fe's? Technically yes. But we aren't directly aware of it. The Intuitive is luckier, though. Intuition acts as the best mirror.

    How do we know that waves exist outside the visible spectrum if we can't see them? By the effect they have on objects attuned to their presence.

    How did Newton discover gravity? Did he see it with his eyes? No. He saw the apple fall, and inferred gravity from the impact it had upon the apple.

    The reason we constantly output emotion is in hopes that another will reflect it back. Holding a forward-directed flashlight, desperate for mirrors, but all the mirrors are slightly flawed, curved, or dim. So we need several to get a glimpse of ourselves.

    So, Fe is feeling projected onto the object, reflected back. What you believed covered Fi was only the reflection of it.
    *nods* Fe is a mirror. It's a cold thing. What's felt is merely what we perceived the other person has felt. I do believe Fi is accessible by us INFJs though. It's just that Fe tends to override it most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    That was my intent... win some, lose some... freedom to feel means to feel everything. As much as I would like to feel Fi... I doubt I can handle their emotional pains. Oh and envy really isn't as bad a thing as people imagine it to be...
    In this case, envy could be taken as something of a compliment, actually.

    *nods* Fe is a mirror. It's a cold thing. What's felt is merely what we perceived the other person has felt. I do believe Fi is accessible by us INFJs though. It's just that Fe tends to override it most of the time.
    I wouldn't call Fe cold... it's just not internal. It really seems like I only really feel something while the thing provoking the feeling is actually there, or I'm imagining that situation or perspective again. The feeling can't be separated from the trigger. If the trigger is removed, the feeling is as well (at least consciously). So as soon as I realize that a person didn't intend something the way I took it, my feelings tend to realign with the new perception of the situation. So I can go from angry to pleased (and vice-versa) much more quickly. One of the weirdest examples someone else noticed was when I was irritated with someone I was talking to in person, and I then picked up the phone and spoke pleasantly to the other person whole time, and then put it down and resumed seeming frustrated.

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    I imagine that having Fi as a dominant function would be intense. I'm almost an xNFP, so I feel like my Fi is pretty well developed for a secondary function, and sometimes I can barely handle the intensity of it all.

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    thanks everyone, your replies have been helpful.

    We should also note that the Extroverted Intuition of the INFP is often aimed inwards due to the primacy of an Introverted Function-Introverted Feeling. Fi-Introverted Feeling, bends the Extroverted Intuition inwards and therefore creates the effect germane to Introverted Intuition.
    is this analogous to how an infj would access their "witch" Fi?

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