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    Default Warnings to the new Messiahs

    He whosoever harbors a spark of divinity in his core, manifesting itself through sporadic but driven action, piercing through the dense and dark mediocrity of humankind's self flattery and deception, shall do good to reflect, and ponder.

    That not one word was courageously spoken in times past that challenged the established social order and did not consequently elicit the madden blabber and pestiferous indignation of the lower layers of society.

    For all human interaction is ultimately a game of self defense, and the prevailing strategy that of rooking one's position within the safe harbor of consensus, and any violation of it is perceived as an existential threat to the social organism itself.

    He whosoever believes, firmly in his heart, to hold a gem of truth, so high above him that he is to be the carrier, not the originator, of its message and value, will do good to remember, that in bestowing this precious and rare gift upon the bickering fools, the savage and the uneducated, the hedonists and oblivious, fierce resentment will be the only reward.

    For in order to bestow this gift he will have to implicitly elevate himself from a position of supposed equality to his peers to an elevated "plateau of superiority", from which to hand "down" this knowledge, and down is the only direction it will appear to move towards, if high is the message revealed in it.

    The cruficixion of Jesus of Nazareth is a metaphor for the resentment of humankind towards the bringer of a higher moral framework.

    Exposure to such a framework will be uncomfortable to most, as it will coerce them to face the inadequacy and pettiness of their own goals and minds - for this they will fight fiercely, not against the idea but against its carrier. They will fight to punish him, for having brought an uncomfortable truth. For indirectly diminishing their private and public worth.

    And lastly, because whilst they may be used to seeing someone be richer, more powerful, happier or more serene, they just cannot accept the final blow dealt to their ego by seeing someone who, under the same tragic existential conditions, has exceeded them in compassion and good character.

    For this reason one's public image is to be managed meticulously, and one's facade of humility must be painstakingly crafted and must permeate all one does or says.

    A bringer of a higher moral message must be humble. A poorest of the poor. Or, one who inflicts poverty voluntarily onto himself.

    Members of the lower layers of society must always find comfort in the fact that they are in some way better off than such a person, that they are respected, that his demeanor is deferential to them, and that they are in no way threatened by his existence.

    Persuading them of this ought to be simple, for simple are their minds and motivations and great are their vanity and their desire for flattery.

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    I have been searching for quite some time for an answer. And you have provided it. Thank you.

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    this is interesting. what's the purpose?

    it seems a little bit tautological, but certainly well-written.

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    Nice text. Really.
    It would however be more powerful if there was less Von Dutch in your avatar.

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    I don't think that moral enlightenment comes through viewing oneself as morally superior, wearing a fake cloth of humility, and reinforcing that the masses are inherently stupid... regardless of which of those things might actually be true.

    It's a precarious perspective of oneself to embrace, it usually just leads to self-taint.
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    I ... approach you with caution, ocean. Honestly, I still am not sure what to make of you.

    Allow me to respond to your thoughts:

    I agree that most people can accept and coexist with someone who is more powerful, richer, smarter or more attractive than they are. But very, very few are willing to accept anyone who dares to reveal a core of moral superiority. Most human reactions will be to crush such expressions.

    And I agree any message that potentially challenges the moral insipidity of the world needs to be delivered from the ground up, not the top down. However, it would need to come from a position of real humility. The carrier of such a truth would hopefully have the moral fibre to realize they are merely a messenger and thus much, much smaller than the totality of that truth. Without a genuine humility, rather than a cloak of false modesty where the ego becomes consumed with the adoration of those who would worship the deliverer of such a truth, the message itself would be tainted and thus the purity of that essence lost.

    What human could attain such perfection? Jesus after all, had to be constructed as god, being a man yet a god, in order for that message to be received and proliferated.

    Do you have a message ocean? What drives you?

    Persuading them of this ought to be simple, for simple are their minds and motivations and great are their vanity and their desire for flattery.
    When one assumes any position of superiority it becomes nearly impossible to anymore regard anyone as a true equal. This is the great deception. It is why Siddartha left his palace and wandered the world. Not because he wanted to live as a commoner. But because he needed the world to erase his inclinations to superiority. Once he was able to transcend that, a glimpse of truth was revealed.

    In expression of one's daily living, one must seek to always remember that life is about context and everyone has their own truth, albeit as different and flawed as your own, in some way.
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    "When people see some things as beautiful,
    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
    other things become bad."
    Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I don't think that moral enlightenment comes through viewing oneself as morally superior, wearing a fake cloth of humility, and reinforcing that the masses are inherently stupid... regardless of which of those things might actually be true.

    It's a precarious perspective of oneself to embrace, it usually just leads to self-taint.
    And you came all the way to this side of the electric fence to plant this straw man?

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    I'm writing to PeaceBaby because she possesses the rare quality of being able to withhold judgment until further data can be obtained.

    The kind of messiah you describe would not be able to promote social change.

    My message doesn't count as much as the meta-message which is, that at least *some* people should have a message. The main problem is not disagreement on the message. It's disagreement on the need to have one. It's the generalized decay of the moral framework of society, after which the financial framework follows.

    I know what my message is. I want to ask others, do YOU have a message?

    > wanted to live as a commoner. But because he needed the world to erase
    > his inclinations to superiority. Once he was able to transcend that, a
    > glimpse of truth was revealed.

    Do you think great men walk amongst commoners without realizing they belong to a special place in history? Do you think their own virtue goes unrecognized to their own eyes? Do you think that Einstein was smart enough to figure out relativity but not smart enough to realize he was smarter than everyone he met? That Tchaikovsky was sufficiently attuned to his feelings to so precisely transcribe them into musical notation and yet unaffected by the spiritual bankruptcy of those he met? Did Alexander the Great enter a battle thinking his opponent equal or superior to him strategically?

    Humbleness is a convenient and sometimes necessary facade. What great men really think when they don't need to lie to you can be read in the works of Schopenhauer.

    >In expression of one's daily living, one must seek to always remember that
    >life is about context and everyone has their own truth, albeit as different
    >and flawed as your own, in some way.

    By this logic there is no good or evil. There is no message. This is the anti-message, something Satan would use to persuade you to commit the most impure acts

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    Your writing stirs me to respond, and encouraging me to walk here with you is a rare thing, as this can be a minefield issue. Although you no doubt can sense I am holding back because I am still not convinced of the purity of your intentions.

    Speaking on matters moral is a dangerous play. All of the people you mention indeed may have known they were great men. And may have used the veneer of humble interaction in order to smooth their way through the social arenas of their time. None of them were however, messianic.

    Are you trying to induce those who might feel a moral calling - or feel a knowing that they possess a moral superiority, to stand up and declare?

    Or are you thinking more of one's acts in the world being an example to that moral core? And thus keeping the motivation, the moral core, behind those acts your personal and private source of both direction and strength? But making sure it remains protected and (for better or worse) unchallenged?

    How does one determine what is the correct moral framework to possess? Although many qualities reflecting it have been distilled over time, there is no singular agreement, no mathematical proof that can dispel doubt or verify the purity of that liquor.

    Edit: and I might add, great acts of atrocity have been committed under such illusions.
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    "When people see some things as beautiful,
    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
    other things become bad."
    Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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