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    All Fs probably get used a lot.

    Especially when we're young and naive.

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    I think that the hardest part for an F is to realize that this entire "suffering thing" is just in peoples heads and it does not actually exist in the real word. (if this makes any sense to you)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I think that the hardest part for an F is to realize that this entire "suffering thing" is just in peoples heads and it does not actually exist in the real word. (if this makes any sense to you)
    No suffering actually exists in the real world, dude.

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    The OP is satirical, right? Right guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    No suffering actually exists in the real world, dude.
    Well I have been already accused that I reduce people to chemical compounds so I am not expecting that people in general will agree with that claim.


    But this can be debated in much more detail if needed. (but that is matter for some other thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desperado44 View Post
    I'm coming to the conclusion that ENFJ's......even those with healthy boundaries, etc.........seem to get used a lot.

    Has anyone else noticed that?

    Whether its in a romantic relationship or in some other form......I just notice that we ENFJ's seem to get used by people, taken for granted, etc.....
    I reeeaaaaaally think you should speak for yourself. This is the third or fourth thread you've made to this effect and every time you get the same advice of what you can do to lessen the effects of being your being used and then you show up again months later with the same song.

    What do you want people to say? Commiserate and the chorus of "Me too"? Validate your POV no matter how accurate or inaccurate it is? No one here knows you personally so what can we give you that will be meaty and substantial for you besides empty validation? What does starting thread here and getting the same advice do to solve your problems? I don't agree that ENFJs get used a lot, I think people with weak boundaries, the inability to say NO, and those that feel a compulsive need to rescue and save like it's an assignment from Mission:Impossible get used a lot.

    For ENFJs in the habit of diving into frigid waters to save the drowning, ask yourself these questions before you go leaping in:

    1. What's my stake/investment in this? Am I operating on my own agenda, e.g. egostroke or having someone indebted to me?
    2. Do I have the energy and resources to expend to this person? Is it fair to them and me to give a half-ass attempt if they're in a bad situation and need more attention?
    3. Why are they there in the first place? What's the real deal with what's going on? What version of events is the truest version?


    To some, that may sound cold but it's helped me immensely. If someone is giving me a boo-hoo story and I feel tugging at my heartstings but then as I learn more things become inconsistent and puzzling: RED FLAG. If someone is constantly telling me how they've been victimized repeatedly are always being taken advantage of never done right: RED FLAG. When I observe their actions, behaviors and attitudes and see how they get themselves into the situations they're in and how things aren't necessarily how they perceive them: RED FLAG. These red flags don't necessarily mean Do Not Enter, just Proceed with Caution.

    Once again, you've got to decide your level of investment and what you can realistically give to the person. There's a difference between standing with someone who has things happen to them out of their control, like losing their job or being diagnosed with a disease. Someone who consistently puts themselves into situations and around people that are stupid and dangerous...well that's their bad. What can you do about that if they've been told that's not a direction you want to go multiple times.

    The sad truth of the matter is some people have weights attached to their ankles and when you go out there to save them unless you're an Olympic level swimmer, you'll sink right to the bottom with them. For some people, it's their own karma coming back to them. For some, it's an issue of maturity and you just happened to meet them in a point in their lives that at a cross with yours. Some people are out there drowning because they need to figure out a way to save themselves. They have gotten help and countless saves from their loved ones and foolishly continued along a path of destruction. You can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved and you can't guide someone who doesn't think they're lost.

    Yeah, it's really cool for ENFJs to think of themselves as the shepherd herding all the lost sheep, but then again you've got to remember sheep are dumb as hell and don't have free will like humans. All you can do is put the options on the table, lay out the pros and cons, and hope they take you up on it. Maybe these people who have used you in the past will magically gain some sort of conscious and realize what they did and seek forgiveness. Maybe the won't. Either way, your main concern is how do I prevent this from happening to me again. You know that saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"? There needs to be some critical self-analysis on why you keep finding yourself in similar situations with similar people. Is there someone who you can talk to about this pattern in your life? Until then, you're just going to be bitter and constantly victimized and starting threads like this every six months.

    I saw this movie a few months ago called A Prophet. I thought to myself, wow this kid just needed someone to show him the way and teach him and once he got that mentorship and education he shot up like a weed. But he wanted it, he was hungry for it and his energy could be harvested and directed. He was receptive--there was no need to use a cattle prod and goad him to action. Learn to recognize those that are hungry for a change because they are more invested and motivated in their freedom as you are to help them. Inspiring and motivating those who aren't isn't impossible, but is difficult. If you are specifically attracted to those people, then once again I advise you to be smart about it.

    I say all this because I've been there...not that I was used the way you may be, but just because I had three "friends" in my early-20s that let me know I had to clean house. These people helped me learn to be more discerning about who I let close to me.

    And dude seriously, if I see another thread like this I'm going to merge them all into one supermega-sized ENFJ Victimization thread and pass out pixie sticks to use as weapons against the unsuspecting.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    You let yourselves get used.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Desperado44 View Post
    I've been thinking about it for years. Its not a knee jerk statement....and NO.....no way in hell is it the other way around.

    I'm probably a little older than most on this site....at 42, a failed marriage, etc...... I've definitely come to the conclusion that ENFJ's are sought by many.... but only use and discard. They love the attention, the generosity, the genuine concern. But they rarely return it.

    It gets passed off as dysfunction or choosing bad 'women/men'..... but its more than that. Its tangible...... if you're a genuine person, you're going to get used up.... 'thanks for being a friend' .... and get almost nothing in return.
    Gee 42 and still thinking the world owes you some kind of favor for being a nice guy

    This is my problem with some NFs, the non verbal agreements that are apparently meant to be there

    They do something for someone and they expect the same in return... did the person ask for those things? Unlikely

    Almost every unhealthy NF I know has done things that I never asked for then used that as some kind of ammo like I owe them some fucking favor

    And hey, no sweat on the NFs, the unhealthy NTs have their faults too don't get me wrong, just voicing my opinion on what I see as shitty immature behavior

    Grow up mate, a number of years alive doesn't mean shit if you are still where you are mentally and emotionally

    Why even mention your age anyway? Do you want a medal?

    This is like a person who's been driving for 6yrs saying he is a better driver than someone who has only been driving for 1 purely based on that fact

    Also you expect us to believe straight up without your ex wifes side of the story that she just used you and divorced purely cause she had got everything she wanted out of you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    You let yourselves get used.
    this, yeah


    the solution is pretty simple: stop doing as much for other people

    also, proteanmix is right on the money as per usual

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    It's the other way around.
    This.

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