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    the points below are good but it seems like those adjectives could easily appy to entj too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post
    I think where this article goes wrong is in the NF evaluation, and what leads to that evaluation. IN particular there is a world of difference between "people want their feelings taken into account and for harmony to be present in group/social situations" and "our work, social, and other structures are actually 'designed' that way."

    The US is almost always seen as being ESTJ in character overall, with "rugged individualism" and something of a "rough and tumble" attitude. We like "take charge" and "get things done." We generally like being seen as "strong", "decisive" , and I would add "pragmatic"/"realistic."M

    Brent Massey wrote a very interesting book titled Where in the World Do I Belong?, and spends several pages giving particular examples why he, and people that provided him feedback on their countries, consider the US ESTJ. Kroeger & Theusen talk about this too, and I'm sure many other MBTI books do too.


    Basically, I think this guy is some sort of counselor/psychologist/whatever [a field WAY overrepresented by NF's], and basically said "My NF coworkers seem to want the F harmony/feelings thing, as do my clients, and people sitting around the dinner table do too, therefore *clearly* the US is ENFJ." Apparently he forgot all about our love of: hard work, plans, scheduled, deadlines, "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps", etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowriot View Post
    according to himself in the comments under the article hes entj
    Yeah, like I said he's a dumb as shit NFJ.
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    He thinks Obama is open, optimistic, communicative, warm, charismatic? Yep, this goober is just clueless enough to have a Ph.D.

    I can see Obama as NT, but I don't see any J at all. I/E is hard to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Yeah, like I said he's a dumb as shit NFJ.
    Damn so abrasive...love it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueHeart View Post
    He thinks Obama is open, optimistic, communicative, warm, charismatic? Yep, this goober is just clueless enough to have a Ph.D.

    I can see Obama as NT, but I don't see any J at all. I/E is hard to tell.
    One thing I am sure about is that he's an extravert. I mean, have you ever seen a president - ever - who talks this much? It seems like every day. In addition to the news conferences, he's on Larry King, Letterman, a Barbara Walters special - the guy likes to communicate.

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    That was an extremely simplistic to the point of inaccurate article. The USA is def. not ENFJ. I'd def say ESJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esoteric Wench View Post
    Ugh! While these armchair analyses are sometimes interesting frolics, they should never be confused with a serious, empirically based discussion of personality traits. Plus, this guy obviously doesn't have a sophisticated understanding of the instrument. It is NOT a Cosmo personality test people. Double ugh!

    Interesting segue:

    I've read from several sources that these are the MBTI types (per testing not just speculation) of these politicians:
    • Barack Obama - ENFJ
    • Bill Clinton - ENFP
    • Vladimir Putin - ISTJ

    True? Well, just because it's written down somewhere doesn't make it true. Nonetheless, I could spend about three weeks meandering the implications. Doesn't surprise me at all. Not at all. LOL!

    I think its very clear and obvious that Obama is an ENFJ. Fwiw, before him and Clinton, Gorbachev was apparently the only NF "president"/leader of a superpower, and if memory serves correctly the consenses was that he was ENFJ as well.

    Also, Bush W. ISTJ
    Bush Sr. I(N)TJ?
    Cheney (I)NTJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post
    I think its very clear and obvious that Obama is an ENFJ. Fwiw, before him and Clinton, Gorbachev was apparently the only NF "president"/leader of a superpower, and if memory serves correctly the consenses was that he was ENFJ as well.

    Also, Bush W. ISTJ
    Bush Sr. I(N)TJ?
    Cheney (I)NTJ
    Bush W. - ESTP
    Cheney - INTJ

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    Turn that N into an S and that F into a T and there you have probably half of america if not more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esoteric Wench View Post
    • Barack Obama - ENFJ
    • Bill Clinton - ENFP
    • Vladimir Putin - ISTJ
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post
    I think its very clear and obvious that Obama is an ENFJ. Fwiw, before him and Clinton, Gorbachev was apparently the only NF "president"/leader of a superpower, and if memory serves correctly the consenses was that he was ENFJ as well.

    Also, Bush W. ISTJ
    Bush Sr. I(N)TJ?
    Cheney (I)NTJ
    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Bush W. - ESTP
    Cheney - INTJ
    HUSSEIN Obama- ENTJ
    Slick Willy - ESFP
    Putin- INTJ
    Dubs- ESFP
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