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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Fuck no. The US is ESTJ, and Obama is ENTJ.
    I do think Obama is an ENTJ

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    I think where this article goes wrong is in the NF evaluation, and what leads to that evaluation. IN particular there is a world of difference between "people want their feelings taken into account and for harmony to be present in group/social situations" and "our work, social, and other structures are actually 'designed' that way."

    The US is almost always seen as being ESTJ in character overall, with "rugged individualism" and something of a "rough and tumble" attitude. We like "take charge" and "get things done." We generally like being seen as "strong", "decisive" , and I would add "pragmatic"/"realistic."

    Brent Massey wrote a very interesting book titled Where in the World Do I Belong?, and spends several pages giving particular examples why he, and people that provided him feedback on their countries, consider the US ESTJ. Kroeger & Theusen talk about this too, and I'm sure many other MBTI books do too.


    Basically, I think this guy is some sort of counselor/psychologist/whatever [a field WAY overrepresented by NF's], and basically said "My NF coworkers seem to want the F harmony/feelings thing, as do my clients, and people sitting around the dinner table do too, therefore *clearly* the US is ENFJ." Apparently he forgot all about our love of: hard work, plans, scheduled, deadlines, "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps", etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    True. Isn't it illegal or something to falsely claim you have one? :confused:


    I would expect, perhaps foolishly, that someone with a Ph.D would have a certain amount of universally applicable intellect and general reasoning capablities.
    You are right of course- that would be foolish! Smart people will often try to extend their opinions into areas they have not really studied well, and expect to get away with it because they are generally intelligent. They don't know what they don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    You are right of course- that would be foolish! Smart people will often try to extend their opinions into areas they have not really studied well, and expect to get away with it because they are generally intelligent. They don't know what they don't know.
    Yes and well the conclusion of the author of the article is obviously wrong. Perhaps he was attempting to be optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    What a load of nonsense. There is a whole series of dubious claims in that article and not just about MBTI. I can't believe this guy has a Ph.D in anything.
    It's kind of like The Wizard of Oz - who needs a brain when you can have a diploma.
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    I think there's a strong strain of "idealism" in U.S. political and cultural attitude. Which doesn't mean "humanitarian" in the way PeaceBaby's framing it--I agree with her there. It may be a mix of idealism and plain old stubbornness.
    You can't spell "justice" without ISTJ.

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    I think that America is a pretty cool guy eh, invades countries and doesn't afraid of anything
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    Heres the writer of the articles background....

    "Dr. Ed Gurowitz has a degree in Psychology and has worked as a neuropsychology researcher, a psychotherapist, and an organizational psychologist. He is currently working as a management and leadership specialist, consulting, training, and coaching with leading companies. He is a long-time student of religion and spirituality and is currently co-authoring a book on the unity of the world’s religions and how institutional religion counters that unity."

    I wonder what his type is....

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourfriendjaneen View Post
    Heres the writer of the articles background....

    "Dr. Ed Gurowitz has a degree in Psychology and has worked as a neuropsychology researcher, a psychotherapist, and an organizational psychologist. He is currently working as a management and leadership specialist, consulting, training, and coaching with leading companies. He is a long-time student of religion and spirituality and is currently co-authoring a book on the unity of the world’s religions and how institutional religion counters that unity."

    I wonder what his type is....
    Dumbass xNFJ, probably INFJ.
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    according to himself in the comments under the article hes entj

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