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[NF] The NF Females' List of Deal Breakers

Esoteric Wench

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I love college football. :blush: Actually, I'm not sure if I love college football so much, but I definitely love hanging out with friends while college football is on or going to the games with them. But after the game is over I rarely remember what happened and I guess I really just like hanging out.

I have two ENFP male friends who have told me almost the exact same thing. They couldn't give a flying flip about the football, but it's a great way for them to bond with other guys and feel included in a group.

Very interesting. I might need to back pedal a bit on my visceral thing about college football.
 

Thalassa

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Marmalade, I understand how you don't want to limit yourself with preconceived notions / or a list. However, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that if we were to combine all your comments in this thread, we'd have a rather robust list for you. :smile:

I suppose so...like I said, I do have standards, but the idea of a list seems so exacting and idealistic to me...for example, I'm willing to compromise on politics, someone doesn't have to share my exact same beliefs ... I could probably be compatible with a moderate liberal, moderate republican, another left libertarian, or even an anarcho-capitalist if their view of capitalism wasn't as extreme and as selfish as some right libertarians I've encountered on the Internet (interestingly all the right wing libertarians I've known IRL were actually very kind, altruistic, almost ridiculously idealistic people...) ... but any extreme would be bad, I suppose.

But I can't just sit here and say "must love literature" or "can't be at all controlling or selfish or ______" because I know that all people, including me, have flaws and you have to make trade-offs. For example, a man who is less effeminate might be more aggressive or dominating. I can accept that.

I like Charmed Justice's list because they're reasonable extremes that aren't healthy to put up with (i.e. violence, etc.)

I probably am being hypocritical, but it's just that I prefer gray areas, where a list seems so black and white, like trying to make a recipe for Prince Charming...I want to keep my options open.
 

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I have two ENFP male friends who have told me almost the exact same thing. They couldn't give a flying flip about the football, but it's a great way for them to bond with other guys and feel included in a group.

Very interesting. I might need to back pedal a bit on my visceral thing about college football.
I've only recently realized it. I thought I liked the football. But when I think about it, I really don't care about it much.

If there isn't a group getting together and I'm by myself at home, I'll turn the TV to it but then lose interest quickly.

And my friends will talk about things that happened in some of the games that we watched together but I can't remember that stuff at all. Like a certain play or something... by the time we are in the car going home I've already forgotten it. They can remember those things from YEARS back. I usually can't even remember who won. :blush:
 

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1. Must Have: Emotional Intelligence, Ability to Communicate and Empathy
2. Rather Not: Don't Finish What You Start, Messy, Lazy
3. Deal-Breakers: Addictions, Abusers, Losers...you know who you are, ha-ha!
 

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Um, so can I have all the guys you other girls have ruled out because they like college football? :tongue:

I'll just list must-haves:
1. Fundamentally kind
2. Sexually attractive to me and vice versa
3. Intelligent with some compatible interests
4. Sense of humor
5. Stable, i.e. not violent, drug-addicted, etc.

Now that I've gotten started I can think of several "would prefer"s (adventurous, well-read, thoughtful, not clingy), but I think making too specific a list is probably counterproductive, especially since I'm having so little luck in the dating world as it is.
 

phthalocyanine

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this was kind of hard to hammer out.

it probably sounds odd that i didn't put 'good hygiene' and such things under musts, but it seems rigid and hypocritical to assume very narrow standards. i tried to be honest...

i'll probably change my mind on half of this crap tomorrow anyway.

this is not really all that serious, but it was good to solidify what i don't consciously think about most of the time.


Must Haves
individualism
intellectual curiosity
open mind
compassion
loving
good sense of humor
good taste in books, music, etc
passion for something!
beliefs/opinions with thought behind them (even if they differ from mine)
ability to think critically
not a sycophantic ass kisser or herd mentality dweller
sexually open-minded, but sane


Would likes

good hygiene
good manners
worldliness
adventurousness
culinary ability
quite literate
active lifestyle
articulate/linguistically oriented
intuitive (doesn't necessarily correspond to N vs S)
animal lover
interest in the arts
interest in sciences
philosophical bent
good taste in clothes, furniture, etc
future thinking
progressive
personal style
artistic talent


Rather Nots
poor diet
impatient
vain
poor listening skills
hedonist
stubborn
quite traditional
more than a little conservative (i'm open-minded, but realistically a very conservative person would probably not get on well with me for a long period of time.)
very competitive (seems like insecurity to me, a little healthy competition doesnt apply to this description)
very nihilistic (nihilism isn't inherently bad, i am pointing more toward being faithless/hopeless or overly cynical about life.)
materialistic (i mean greedy/avaricious. liking nice things isnt the same.)
avoidant/uncommunicative
more than a bit sloppy
promiscuous
drinks/smokes more than moderately
stingy

Deal Breakers
very poor diet (i.e, only fast food or microwave meals)
shallow
closed mind/refusal to listen to other perspectives
markedly bad manners
bigoted attitudes, things usually ending in -ism
hates animals ( i distrust people who arent at least indifferent to other critters)
inability to see own faults, or no desire to fix them
chauvinistic/sexist
violent
"dead beat dad"
objectifies people
dogmatic
humorless
self-centered/egotistical
boisterous/loud mouthed (extroverted is one thing, but i can't stand people who are always loud)
controlling/bossy
pathological liar
willfully ignorant
frequently reckless
projection issues
real apathy
addictive personality
 

sculpting

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Nots:
smoker
drugs
abusive

Needs:
Financially independent from me
smarter than me
can tolerate kids
can rationally discuss problems to find resolution
Accepts me for what I am
 

Edasich

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Must haves:

Connection with me (we both *get* each other)
Kindness
Empathy
Humour
Intelligence


Deal-breakers:

Porn addiction (unless they were willing to get help to change their ways)
Cheater
Assholishness
 

Esoteric Wench

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this was kind of hard to hammer out.

Must Haves
individualism
intellectual curiosity
open mind
compassion
loving
good sense of humor
good taste in books, music, etc
passion for something!
beliefs/opinions with thought behind them (even if they differ from mine)
ability to think critically
not a sycophantic ass kisser or herd mentality dweller
sexually open-minded, but sane


Would likes

good hygiene
good manners
worldliness
adventurousness
culinary ability
quite literate
active lifestyle
articulate/linguistically oriented
intuitive (doesn't necessarily correspond to N vs S)
animal lover
interest in the arts
interest in sciences
philosophical bent
good taste in clothes, furniture, etc
future thinking
progressive
personal style
artistic talent


Rather Nots
poor diet
impatient
vain
poor listening skills
hedonist
stubborn
quite traditional
more than a little conservative (i'm open-minded, but realistically a very conservative person would probably not get on well with me for a long period of time.)
very competitive (seems like insecurity to me, a little healthy competition doesnt apply to this description)
very nihilistic (nihilism isn't inherently bad, i am pointing more toward being faithless/hopeless or overly cynical about life.)
materialistic (i mean greedy/avaricious. liking nice things isnt the same.)
avoidant/uncommunicative
more than a bit sloppy
promiscuous
drinks/smokes more than moderately
stingy

Deal Breakers
very poor diet (i.e, only fast food or microwave meals)
shallow
closed mind/refusal to listen to other perspectives
markedly bad manners
bigoted attitudes, things usually ending in -ism
hates animals ( i distrust people who arent at least indifferent to other critters)
inability to see own faults, or no desire to fix them
chauvinistic/sexist
violent
"dead beat dad"
objectifies people
dogmatic
humorless
self-centered/egotistical
boisterous/loud mouthed (extroverted is one thing, but i can't stand people who are always loud)
controlling/bossy
pathological liar
willfully ignorant
frequently reckless
projection issues
real apathy
addictive personality

phthalocyanine, I LOVED this list. I thought it very evocative, and you made some GREAT POINTS! I highlighted my favorites in blue.

Awww... now I think my list sucked. I may have to post a new one.
 

alexshippee

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Must haves

-A sense of humor
-a job
-open mindedness
-Someone who gives me my space.
-Oh, and I like nice hands.


Deal Breakers
-Someone who always wears running shoes/sneakers.
-Someone who is an alcoholic/drug addict.
-Someone who is always sentimental and like, lovey dovey.
-Someone who needs to hang out all the time.
 

cafe

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There are some superficial things on the lists here in the 'must haves' and 'deal-breakers' sections. Again, not as many as I've seen in others, but they're there.

Actually, most of what I'm seeing is more blanket statements that nix a whole lot of guys when it could've been just a bad experience with ONE particular person in that category (but then, as they say, "one bad apple...")or perhaps a lack of proper education or a biased opinion of one particular topic.

I could go through and point out some specifics (and its tempting), but I really don't want turn this thread into something its not.

Personally, I like Saslou's attitude. Maybe because its more in line with how guys approach a potential relationship, I dunno. Just the fact that its more like recognizing that people are INDIVIDUALS with their own set of strengths and flaws, opinions, experiences, character, and reasoning. You can always give it chance and take some time to really feel a person out, then bail if your 'character judge radar' starts pinging red flags. It takes time to really get to know someone, and you may find that initial perceptions may not have been correct.

I've met several women who were not initially that attractive to me or something threw a small blip on the radar. I would be uninterested or slightly more cautious, but as time went on and I learned more about them and as I got to know them, they became more and more attractive until I simply adored them. I discovered that blip was a false positive. Some people have been through some really bad stuff, maybe they're still working on some things, but you learn the progress they've made and what they've been through and realize that they really are amazing people.

Not saying this is always the case. There's been some where its just been "WARNING! WARNING! DISENGAGE IMMEDIATELY!!!", but the possibility for the other has happened and could happen at any time.
I will concede that if a person really won't give someone that violates a minor, superficial criteria a chance they are shooting themselves in the foot. Maybe I have more confidence in people's ability to be open-minded when it is to their own benefit than I ought to.

Honestly, what I've seen a whole lot more of (and maybe it's a result of my social class) is women who give men chances that obviously have had way too many chances. They think the guy that has been a jerk and a looser his whole life is going to magically change or that they are somehow different than the previous women in a way that will evoke different treatment from the guy. They have no real evidence of this change except that the guy is acting nice to them. -- right now.

Doesn't take too long for the abuse to start and not long after that for them to start having to ask friends and family for diaper money. By then, the guy is in their head and it takes years to extricate themselves, unless he's already moved on to greener pastures -- pastures that don't involve providing for the children left behind.

Most of these women's friends and loved ones could have told them very early on how things were going to play out -- probably tried to tell them how it was going to play out, possibly begged them not to get involved with the guy. All the warning signs were there for anyone to see, but they wouldn't see or hear it from anyone else. Love conquers all or something like that, I guess. :rolli:
 

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phthalocyanine, I LOVED this list. I thought it very evocative, and you made some GREAT POINTS! I highlighted my favorites in blue.

Awww... now I think my list sucked. I may have to post a new one.

oh, thanks! glad you liked the blahblahblah
 

EcK

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My question would be, did some of you guys have a hard look at ourselves and wondered if you actually had anything to offer to guys displaying the qualities you expect?
 

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I will concede that if a person really won't give someone that violates a minor, superficial criteria a chance they are shooting themselves in the foot. Maybe I have more confidence in people's ability to be open-minded when it is to their own benefit than I ought to.

Honestly, what I've seen a whole lot more of (and maybe it's a result of my social class) is women who give men chances that obviously have had way too many chances. They think the guy that has been a jerk and a looser his whole life is going to magically change or that they are somehow different than the previous women in a way that will evoke different treatment from the guy. They have no real evidence of this change except that the guy is acting nice to them. -- right now.

Doesn't take too long for the abuse to start and not long after that for them to start having to ask friends and family for diaper money. By then, the guy is in their head and it takes years to extricate themselves, unless he's already moved on to greener pastures -- pastures that don't involve providing for the children left behind.

Most of these women's friends and loved ones could have told them very early on how things were going to play out -- probably tried to tell them how it was going to play out, possibly begged them not to get involved with the guy. All the warning signs were there for anyone to see, but they wouldn't see or hear it from anyone else. Love conquers all or something like that, I guess. :rolli:

I've seen very similar in the past and in areas I grew up. Small southern towns, women who have their self-esteem crushed and they stay in abusive relationships. Its always boggled my mind or been very disheartening to me.

My view on it is that many women suffer from something very similar to the 'white knight' syndrome that many guys get accused of (and is a trap I've unfortunately fallen into in the past). People want to know that they've earned a special place in someone's heart and so go after 'project men'. What better way to feel special than to be the one to change a guy when no other woman could? Not saying its logical, but that does seem to be where a bit of it comes from.

Some women get stuck on that idea or feeling of 'Twue Wuv' and just lose every lick of common sense they ever had.

Then you've got guys who suck a woman in and become extremely controlling, cut the woman off from friends/family, are abusive, make a woman believe that she can't survive without him. Its self-esteem destroying and its just all around messed up.

Some of the lists here have done a very good job of pointing out dealbreakers that are quite legitimate for helping avoid abusive men, those are the good lists. Some of the stuff is just off base though. There's some things you just can't know until you observe how they treat their family/friends, attitude towards strangers, and reactions in high stress situations. There's plenty of guys out there who, while they can be aggressive, will take the time to find healthy venting for their anger. They would never abuse their lady, but they will go several rounds with a punching bag when they get pissed. Some people don't take in to account how others handle their anger, they simple look at the fact that the anger is there.

On the flip side (and this has always driven me nuts): You've got a lot of women out there who say they won't stand for a man to abuse them but won't hesitate to slap a guy across the face, throw things at him, and basically just provoke the crap out of him. The excuse is usually something along the lines of "He's a man, he can take it", "I'm a girl, its not like I can hit him hard enough to hurt", etc. They forget that its not the physical pain that's the issue but the emotional pain of having a loved one taking out their anger on you. Most of what I see is verbal abuse on the woman's part. They'll emasculate their man in public, call him stupid, damage his self-esteem, but would walk out the door if he ever showed the same behavior. The double standard is alarming.

All in all though, I'll usually give somebody a chance. I don't have any 'deal-breakers' like on these lists, but I do have warning signs that'll put me on guard. There's a couple that are instant 'Aw Hell Naw! I'm out!'s (usually glaring personality flaws, not just stereotyping). The vast majority though, I'm willing to hang around long enough to see if the behavior is consistent or if the person is willing to learn and/or is actively seeking help for the issue.

For me its more of putting trust in my ability to judge someone's character and staying open to listening to and/or entrusting my friends to slap my head back on straight if they notice something I may be blinded to. Not to say my friends are always on point or that I'm the best judge of character, but I'll at least take their words into consideration and pay closer attention and I'm fairly confident in my own reasoning abilities and can usually admit when I've screwed up.

(LOL! I just realized, I probably trust my dog's judgment on people more than my friends. There's only one person he's instantly disliked, and I know the guy well enough to know it was with good reason. The rest of the time he's a total attention whore to everyone he meets...Not to say its a deal-breaker if my dog doesn't like you, but I'll be watching somebody like a hawk for a while if he doesn't:rofl1:)
 

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What if a man who was not highly educated, on a low income, short and bold showed interest in you, would you dismiss him because he didn't fit your criteria even though he could of potentially treated you like a queen, been fiercely loyal and had a high EQ.

Re. the bolded piece, I don't particularly want to be treated like a queen or doted on, honestly. (Although
I realize you're just talking about the principle of the matter. :))

I'd much rather have a connection on all levels - intellectual, emotional, physical - than lack a connection on an integral level. And it's having all of these levels met that are why I want to be in the relationship in the first place. I don't want to be with any old guy just because he happened to be enamoured with me. What if I don't see him in the same light?

And, I think that's what these lists are about, in the end: What is each NF, as an *individual*, seeking out of a relationship? Granted, some of the items may appear superficial, but I would imagine that there is a lot of stuff (values, etc) underlying the apparent superficialness. A good 'reason', in other words, for why each thing is on the list, even if to the outsider, yes, an individual thing might appear superficial.

I think it's a little strange to be getting up in arms about peoples' lists; I mean, we're all different, everyone has their own quirks/desires out of a partner. (and I'm not directing this comment at you, saslou - there are several in the thread)

Yes, keeping to these lists to the extreme, and to the letter, might mean the person will write off a very good person, but honestly most people make these lists from a combo of experience, as well as their own values and what they're personally desiring, and most probably do flex.
 

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When people are deliberately mean and enjoy hurting other people, I can't get close to them. I don't hate them, but I don't trust them, and perhaps feel a little cautiously sorry for them. If they hurt people by mistake, then that is different, and I don't have a problem with it.
 

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1. Must Haves
- Intelligent/Likes to Think
- Humor/Wittiness/Sarcasm
- Love of children/animals
- Integrity/High Personal Responsibility and Self-Control
- Interesting/Creative/Innovative
- Passionate about something
- Must have Principles (of some kind)
- Calm and steady

3. Deal Breakers
- Complete slob
- Smoker
- More than occasional recreational drug user
- Republican
- Religious
- Gambler
- Lack of sympathy/empathy/understanding
- Obesity
- Abusive
- Bad temper
- Cold
- Irresponsible/Reckless
- Commitment = Scary
- Over emotional/Over sentimental
- Over Ten Years Older
- Racist

Uhm. That's it. I think. :devil: Though I don't deny I am capable of being swept off my list by passion. And that's not for dating/fun, that's my Forever List. Muahaha.
 
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