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    Quote Originally Posted by Esoteric Wench View Post
    What is wrong with being idealistic? Where is this magical line when you cross over to become too idealistic? And if these lists aren't meant to be taken literally, does it really matter if they are idealistic or not?

    I'd say your post illustrates the point I was trying to make earlier about how I see this as a classic S / N miscommunication.

    The NFs are dismayed that the Ss are getting so upset over a frolic. The Ss think the Ns are so up in the clouds that they aren't being realistic... and this up in the clouds (aka holier than thou / aka stuck up / aka not in touch reality) aspect of NF behavior really chaps their S fannies.

    OK. So what. Seems like no big deal to me if you look at things this way.

    Why can't we all agree that Ss and Ns see things differently and then choose to see the best in the other's way of seeing the world. You Ss could use a little more idealism. We Ns could use a little more Ss grounding in reality.

    Seems like the only real faux pas is to be too extreme in either direction.



    Seems like anything else is pointless and fruitless.
    Has it occurred to you that prpl and I are Ns who are more balanced on S who are pointing out that you guys aren't balanced enough on N/S?

    I think that's a real possibility here.

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    As a guy, I'd be more affected by these standards than you ladies and my honest opinion is: if it's working for them, awesome; if it's not, they'll either change (alone or with help) or deserve what additional failures they encounter. The debate seems pointless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    their's nothing wrong with being idealistic except when it's taken to an extreme like people in this thread are doing. I never said their was anything wrong with being idealistic.BTW I'm INFP, I do not identify with any other type.You just don't want me to be an NF because I don't agree with something. which is a pretty fucked reason IMO
    The only reason I didn't think you were an NF is that someone said something earlier in the thread that I understood as you being S. I obviously misunderstood, and I apologize.

    But it doesn't really matter if you're NF or not. My point remains the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Esoteric Wench View Post
    What is wrong with being idealistic? Where is this magical line when you cross over to become too idealistic? And if these lists aren't meant to be taken literally, does it really matter if they are idealistic or not?
    Runvardh couldn't have said it any better.

    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    As a guy, I'd be more affected by these standards than you ladies and my honest opinion is: if it's working for them, awesome; if it's not, they'll either change (alone or with help) or deserve what additional failures they encounter. The debate seems pointless...
    OK, so you think people are being too idealistic. OK. I tool around on the NT threads and sometimes think they are being too... well too NT. But I don't get upset with them or get frustrated. In fact, I find it rather endearing. (Especially when the INTJs get all INTJ-y, but I digress).

    So I agree with what runvardh said. I respectfully submit that debating this seems pointless to me.

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    no you're point doesn't you said it was an N/S miscommunication. so how the fuck does that make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    no you're point doesn't you said it was an N/S miscommunication. so how the fuck does that make sense?
    Can you please clarify. I don't understand the question.

    And can we please refrain from the ad hominem undertones. No need to start swearing and get ugly. We can disagree with each other respectfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Has it occurred to you that prpl and I are Ns who are more balanced on S who are pointing out that you guys aren't balanced enough on N/S?

    I think that's a real possibility here.
    I am not very balanced on N/S. I always test super N. Like 100%. So you are very right about me. But even so, I return to my earlier question: if these lists aren't meant to be taken literally, what does it matter if they are too idealistic? I guess that I feel like this is something I wouldn't argue with most Ns. If the lists aren't meant to be taken literally, doesn't this undercut any argument about whether they are too idealistic or not?

    I might be over-extrapolating, but it just seems to me that the only people that get sooo worked up about being too N, are Ss. And usually it's dominant function Ss (ESFP, ESTP, ISFJ, ISTJ). That's my anecdotal experience. And that may or may not apply here.

    So what I probably didn't say very clearly, was that I'm puzzled about why what you have identified as the "too idealistic" approach on this thread seems to bother both you and prpl so much. This is, I guess, my underlying point.... that this doesn't seem like it's worth getting worked up about.

    Frankly, I read angry and frustrated tones in both your posts re: this matter. If I misread, then let me apologize in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esoteric Wench View Post
    I am not very balanced on N/S. I always test super N. Like 100%. So you are very right.

    I might be over-extrapolating, but it just seems to me that the only people that get sooo worked up about being too N, are Ss. And usually it's dominant function Ss. That's my anecdotal experience. And that may or may not apply here.

    So what I probably didn't say very clearly, was that I'm puzzled about why what you identified as the "too idealistic" approach a lot of the NFs posting to this list are taking seems to bother both you and prpl so much. This is, I guess, my underlying point.... that this doesn't seem like it's worth getting worked up about.

    And frankly, I read angry and frustrated tones in both your posts on this matter. If I misread, then let me apologize in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbows View Post
    Was that a sneaky way of calling someone a sensor?
    LOL! I guess it was a sneaky way of saying that regardless of their preferences, I read they are acting in a manner consistent with sensors I've interacted with before.

    And, I adore my sensor friends, so no insult is intended... regardless of whether they are NFs or Ss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbows View Post
    Was that a sneaky way of calling someone a sensor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esoteric Wench View Post
    Can you please clarify. I don't understand the question.

    And can we please refrain from the ad hominem undertones. No need to start swearing and get ugly. We can disagree with each other respectfully.
    what ad hominem undertones?

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