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    Default any sx/so infjs?

    4s, 5s, 9s, etc?

    i'm wondering if there is a very greater likelihood for introverts to have sp in some part of their stacking, tho a know an infj 4 girl who's an so/sx.

    i can see a very different quality for infp 4w5 sx/sp and sx/so types than others. i am trying to imagine the differences between sx/so and sx/sp in 4w5 an 5w4 inf types especially, altho same with sx types of 9.

    i'd be interested in any famous people as reference points too.

    for infp, brando seems infp 4w5 sx/sp, heath ledger probably infp 4w5 sx/so.

    i think thom yorke is infj 5w4 sx/sp, the way he looks back at the crowd that follows him and distrusts them so much that he pities them, loathes them, hates them, etc. the kind of so inferior quality that sx/sps have, the fear/paranoia of the world. same with kafka. or milan kundera. i could see hunter s thompson as sx/sp too.

    i'm wondering about goethe sx/__, and leonard cohen sx/so? it would help me figure out if leonard cohen is enfj or infj (leaning towards e).

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    4s, 5s, 9s, etc?

    i'm wondering if there is a very greater likelihood for introverts to have sp in some part of their stacking, tho a know an infj 4 girl who's an so/sx.

    i can see a very different quality for infp 4w5 sx/sp and sx/so types than others. i am trying to imagine the differences between sx/so and sx/sp in 4w5 an 5w4 inf types especially, altho same with sx types of 9.

    i'd be interested in any famous people as reference points too.

    for infp, brando seems infp 4w5 sx/sp, heath ledger probably infp 4w5 sx/so.

    i think thom yorke is infj 5w4 sx/sp, the way he looks back at the crowd that follows him and distrusts them so much that he pities them, loathes them, hates them, etc. the kind of so inferior quality that sx/sps have, the fear/paranoia of the world. same with kafka. or milan kundera. i could see hunter s thompson as sx/sp too.

    i'm wondering about goethe sx/__, and leonard cohen sx/so? it would help me figure out if leonard cohen is enfj or infj (leaning towards e).
    Leonard Cohen is an ISFP is he not??

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    I think I am so/sx, which seems less common for infjs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Exit View Post
    Leonard Cohen is an ISFP is he not??
    i don't see that at all- it doesn't make any sense to me. i feel pretty confident with nfj, i just can't determine infj or enfj. he physically looks more enfj to me, but most folks seem to think infj makes more sense. i could possibly see enfj 4w3 like oscar wilde. as an in-the-moment speaker, he just relates so perfectly all the time. he never seems to miss the mark. always a very complex response, aware of the perceptions of others, the language of emotion, etc. plus enfj is the perfect crossover hit for both infj-infp.

    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    I think I am so/sx, which seems less common for infjs.
    that makes sense with you wondering about enfj/infj. my impression is that so/sx is really flexible, light-hearted (comparatively), disarming, etc. what do you notice about the differences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    i don't see that at all- it doesn't make any sense to me. i feel pretty confident with nfj, i just can't determine infj or enfj. he physically looks more enfj to me, but most folks seem to think infj makes more sense. i could possibly see enfj 4w3 like oscar wilde. as an in-the-moment speaker, he just relates so perfectly all the time. he never seems to miss the mark. always a very complex response, aware of the perceptions of others, the language of emotion, etc. plus enfj is the perfect crossover hit for both infj-infp.


    That actually sounds very ISFP to me.

    This is going to sounds faceitious but it is not my intention.
    MBTI is a personality and congnitive assesment tool.. SO how on earth are you applying physical characteristics to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Exit View Post
    That actually sounds very ISFP to me.

    This is going to sounds faceitious but it is not my intention.
    MBTI is a personality and congnitive assesment tool.. SO how on earth are you applying physical characteristics to it?
    i don't know how to describe it, and it's generalizations, but that's what Fe does. we mimick and perform gestures internally. my pet theory is that Fe is based on extremely high concentration of mirror neurons. i let my imagined sense of other help me perform myself.

    and i just sense a pattern with how those resonate with me. he feels like a slightly inverted john updike to me, maybe 4w3 vs 3w4, both probably enfj.

    also, isfps, in my experience, have more conflicted speech. it takes more effort to find where someone is coming from and find a way to translate their holistic intelligence into words. Fe types are far more organized by words, oftentimes, it seems to me. i don't know what i'm gonna say 'til it comes out at the very last minute, like my voice is deciding as much as my brain, based on my perception of how i want to come across.

    most of the isfps i know are rather close-lipped. i can see when we're relating, but it's not as much of a conversant, hyper-vocal kind of relating like with Fe types who want to talk, talk, talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    that makes sense with you wondering about enfj/infj. my impression is that so/sx is really flexible, light-hearted (comparatively), disarming, etc. what do you notice about the differences?
    I feel like there's a distinct difference in outlook between the people who lead with sp and me - maybe more reserved, need more recoup time after being with people, and more concerned about privacy generally. For example, I feel like I do need a little alone time, but as long as people allow for spaces in the conversation from time to time or if I can get away for 5 or 10 minutes here or there, I can recharge fairly nicely. I would be pleased to have people drop by my house unannounced (provided they were people whose company I like and they can hang loose if things are a little messy right then), whereas I think many sp types don't appreciate or enjoy that. I'm not completely sure how much though is upbringing, what types your parents were, the circles you turn in, your line of work, and your experiences that also may contribute to those differences. I don't know enough who enough so/sx people are to be able to compare. The INFJs that are 4s with an sp instinct seem to me like the kind that have elevated Fi levels compared to some other INFJ types. I may be mistaken though. I would probably categorize myself as pretty flexible for most things and am happy to leave a lot of choice up to the people I am with. However, if plans suddenly change from something I really had set my heart on (eating somewhere I really liked that I would not have the opportunity to go to much for example), it might take me about 10 or 15 minutes to rethink it or it may bother me if I feel like I give the person lots of scope for their own decisions most of the time. I'm fairly resistant to trying some kinds of new things on my own, although I appreciate those who (sensitively) push me to do so. I usually need some time to get used to the idea first. I prefer to avoid committees entirely (don't really identify with the teamwork description of INFJ learning), or if I am on one, then I would like to either be running it (if it's something I really care about), or be a drone, but not have all of us being equally contributing members.

    What do you think, State?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    i don't know how to describe it, and it's generalizations, but that's what Fe does. we mimick and perform gestures internally. my pet theory is that Fe is based on extremely high concentration of mirror neurons. i let my imagined sense of other help me perform myself.

    and i just sense a pattern with how those resonate with me. he feels like a slightly inverted john updike to me, maybe 4w3 vs 3w4, both probably enfj.

    also, isfps, in my experience, have more conflicted speech. it takes more effort to find where someone is coming from and find a way to translate their holistic intelligence into words. Fe types are far more organized by words, oftentimes, it seems to me. i don't know what i'm gonna say 'til it comes out at the very last minute, like my voice is deciding as much as my brain, based on my perception of how i want to come across.

    most of the isfps i know are rather close-lipped. i can see when we're relating, but it's not as much of a conversant, hyper-vocal kind of relating like with Fe types who want to talk, talk, talk.
    Thank you.. that was well explained..

    I never shut up.. and finding the exact word is easy and paramount to me.
    I love to talk..

    Page 205 of Please Understand Me.. "ISFPs are the most misunderstood type"
    page 206.. The number of Great Artists who upon investigation were found clearly to be ISFP, is truly awesome. Music and dance seem almost exclusively the province of ISFP.."

    No one ever seems to give the "artist" his due..
    That is all I am saying..

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    i'm wondering if there is a very greater likelihood for introverts to have sp in some part of their stacking, tho a know an infj 4 girl who's an so/sx.
    That certainly seems like the case. Especially so with introverted judgers.

    ...differences between I and INFJs who are sp/sx or sp/so. Hmm, I would say I am more direct, have more of a desire for close contact, am more open once a person is past the initial barriers. But less settled emotionally, and always seeking and rarely finding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    I feel like there's a distinct difference in outlook between the people who lead with sp and me - maybe more reserved, need more recoup time after being with people, and more concerned about privacy generally. For example, I feel like I do need a little alone time, but as long as people allow for spaces in the conversation from time to time or if I can get away for 5 or 10 minutes here or there, I can recharge fairly nicely. I would be pleased to have people drop by my house unannounced (provided they were people whose company I like and they can hang loose if things are a little messy right then), whereas I think many sp types don't appreciate or enjoy that. I'm not completely sure how much though is upbringing, what types your parents were, the circles you turn in, your line of work, and your experiences that also may contribute to those differences. I don't know enough who enough so/sx people are to be able to compare. The INFJs that are 4s with an sp instinct seem to me like the kind that have elevated Fi levels compared to some other INFJ types. I may be mistaken though. I would probably categorize myself as pretty flexible for most things and am happy to leave a lot of choice up to the people I am with. However, if plans suddenly change from something I really had set my heart on (eating somewhere I really liked that I would not have the opportunity to go to much for example), it might take me about 10 or 15 minutes to rethink it or it may bother me if I feel like I give the person lots of scope for their own decisions most of the time. I'm fairly resistant to trying some kinds of new things on my own, although I appreciate those who (sensitively) push me to do so. I usually need some time to get used to the idea first. I prefer to avoid committees entirely (don't really identify with the teamwork description of INFJ learning), or if I am on one, then I would like to either be running it (if it's something I really care about), or be a drone, but not have all of us being equally contributing members.

    What do you think, State?
    i think so dom seems far more flexible, fluid, open, and naturally receptive to a diverse stream of inputs. it's not so impatient and is much much much better at handling frustration that sx types, who demand immediate change. the sp gets more frustrated, apathetic, and potentially resentful. i feel my energy rise too easily in a way that can hamper positive maneuvering, at times.

    the so/sx e4 infj girl i know was much more go with the flow. very matriarchal, mothering/nurturing, not intensely focused on you but aware of the whole social context/situation, monitoring it very very well. i lose my bearings in terms of social context somewhat easily (it is an inferior instinct), and i have this kind of all in or all out quality. i'm either intensely focused on you, what you're doing, where you're going, how we're intersecting, or i'm kind of distant and getting a sense of something that is private (this distance i think is why they describe sp as earthy, mysterious, etc). like just a sense of weird diffusion beyond the scope of the group, connecting to something broader, less contextual, more ecological.

    i also generally dislike unexpected interruption unless it's from the very few people who can immediately pry me open. generally this works best with enps, who are great at immediately locating wherever you are in your own kind of emotional/mental headspace. it requires no effort from me because the connection is just already open, as if the language for communicating is just natural and effortless unless it is deliberately being blocked for ego reasons, drama, etc. with other types i probably have to gear up a little more, and the sense of self-consciousness, of wanting to be interpreted in a way that i find is accurate and still positive, makes me expend more energy.

    so/sx types, and i know mostly nfp so/sx types, seem very light-hearted, gregarious, socially skilled, funny and self-deprecating. it's very reassuring, and the /sx makes them capable of finding the differences, relating very specifically, providing recognition, while still allowing you a looser kind of less self-aware freedom, liteness, buoyancy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    ...differences between I and INFJs who are sp/sx or sp/so. Hmm, I would say I am more direct, have more of a desire for close contact, am more open once a person is past the initial barriers. But less settled emotionally, and always seeking and rarely finding.
    the constant seeking is a general quality of all sx people, and the rarely finding more so with the /sp types, vs the /so types who find all the time? i want to understand how sx/so operates in order to realize my way, and realize some of the problems that hamper me from finding, some of the obstacles that i do not see that i have allowed to multiply themselves within my way of thinking, seeing, evaluating etc. but also to realize what is POSITIVE about the /sp grounding that sometimes i feel like sx/so types could benefit from as well in a similar way to how i benefit from /so openness in them (coming to terms with the inferior, etc).

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