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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    So I may be responding to a flaw in the system?

    You just may.
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    I'd do anything to understand why I act so weirdly. I plunge into analysis to solve my confusion when I can't intuit what's happening. I'm like a blind person feeling my way around an unfamiliar room that someone keeps re-arranging, or a cat with its whiskers clipped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascademn View Post
    I guess I've always been pretty aware of the sensory stuff. Which is interesting in itself - there are a few possibilities - either having been raised by a very S mother, so I've been 'conditioned' into paying attention to minute details, OR I am simply pretty balanced between S and N. I don't know. As for the bills, my father trained budgeting and 'responsibility' into me, so I keep track of all the housekeeping things quite well.

    For me, Se/Si comes into play with what my interests/hobbies are. As a child, I was very drawn to birds. And much of birding is exclusively Si -- picking up fine details in terms of plumage and vocalizations, and remembering all of this data. This also extends into wildflowers, animals, trees..to a lesser degree. I simply enjoy being able to identify all of it and put a name to each species. Se for me...well, I enjoy being outdoors and being placed in new environments that make my senses come alive -- so I guess I tend to be pretty aware of my surroundings and take pleasure in them - it's a reason I love to travel to see new places and how different cultures live and build their towns/cities, and also why I enjoy being out in nature --just taking every detail, and the whole, all in.
    *nods in agreement* I think of it as types having a preference for using one function over another. But it doesn't mean that the inferior or the shadow functions don't exist in us. It still does! We just need to consciously focus to use it and that can be tiring. I can force myself to pay attention and recall details. I just can't keep it up for very long... especially not in a noisy (visual and auditory) environment.

    About birding. I've always thought it was as much Si as N... most of the time you only get a glimpse of the bird. So you're really judging based on flight patterns, overall size and shape for the most part.

    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    This is the way I feel about Sensing. I take my eyes off of it (which I have a tendency to do anyway without thinking about it) and Poof. Gone.
    I like that description. I found that I really have to force myself... and if my attention slips, it goes "poof".

    I feel like I'm remotely viewing myself, the body I have, the face, etc. If I'm reminded that I exist in some way that I don't feel equipped to handle (i.e. usually something positive) I freeze up and stand there staring blankly. I go into a clinical internal dialog -- all the ways I have to tell this person that I'm a fake, not human enough. I see people with kids and the clinical internal dialog starts again -- I don't exist because real people can have kids. I don't exist because real people go on vacation. I don't exist because real people like to drink coffee. etc.
    *hugs piranha* You're real! Have to believe in yourself more and compare to other people less. Not everybody likes drinking coffee. I for one can't quite stand it. :p Physical vacations are a luxury... many people can't afford it either. However you can travel and imagine in your mind can you not? BTW, all this can be viewed as manifestations of Si. Comparison of self to known standards... it's just has a bit of a negative slant to it though.

    So I may be responding to a flaw in the system?
    You're not responding to a flaw... rather you're responding fine... it's just that the system that tried to describe this process is flawed. MBTI is nothing more than a theory that attempts to describe human behavior. People shouldn't be forced into the prescribed theory, that's just wrong. :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post

    About birding. I've always thought it was as much Si as N... most of the time you only get a glimpse of the bird. So you're really judging based on flight patterns, overall size and shape for the most part.
    This is probably true. It's a combo of things -- taking all kinds of details in - plumage, time of year, location, probability of it being one bird vs a similar look-a-like bird, vocals, habitat, flight pattern, shape...

    So yeah, maybe there's N to it too..but a heavy dose of Si for remembering all of the details regarding all of the above!!!


    *hugs piranha* You're real! Have to believe in yourself more and compare to other people less. Not everybody likes drinking coffee. I for one can't quite stand it. :p Physical vacations are a luxury... many people can't afford it either. However you can travel and imagine in your mind can you not? BTW, all this can be viewed as manifestations of Si. Comparison of self to known standards... it's just has a bit of a negative slant to it though.
    Yes, Piranha, I would agree. You are YOU, and you are REAL. It doesn't matter whether you *prefer* different sensory things from others -- coffee, clothing, vacation, foods, loud bustling environments vs quiet solitude, etc etc. And just because your sensory preferences are different from other peoples', doesn't mean you lack Si or Se!!!!!!!

    I mean at one point you were a mechanic, right??? Isn't that a lot of Se/Si right there?? So you're not incapable of it!

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    I wish I could help you, sweets, but I'm still learning the eight functions. I haven't researched enough to discuss stuff yet. But I do agree with the others, just because you favor more abstract processes doesn't make you any less real than those who favor concrete ones! It just gives you a really cool ethereal feel about yourself that they're probably just as jealous of as you are of their "fitting in". X3
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    You make a good point. I *am* really jealous of their fitting in. All that stuff just comes so naturally to Sensers. I get sick of wrestling with it.
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    Instead, try signing into amazon.com and reading the two passages about inferior sensating in Psychotherapy, by Marie Louis Von Franz (she personally worked with Jung). Search "inferior sensation of the introverted/extraverted intuition type"

    Very cool. I didn't realize it was possible to search texts in this way on Amazon. Thanks for the tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    You make a good point. I *am* really jealous of their fitting in. All that stuff just comes so naturally to Sensers. I get sick of wrestling with it.
    That was supposed to be encouraging.. how did you turn it to a negative?! XD It's frustrating, I wrestle with it too. But.. there's always things in life you have to work through or deal with to get the better parts. I just write those kinds of things off as the stuff I "have" to do, and try not to focus on it. Bottom line.. your talents lie elsewhere. Remember what I said in the other thread about picking and choosing your battles with helping people? Same thing, only inside yourself. Sensing is weak because it's natural for us to "help" and strengthen our "insight" and seeing "past" what sensors see.

    It doesn't make having to develop some sort of Senses to survive any easier.. just, certainly don't think less of yourself because you have to! Think more of yourself because it means you have better strengths elsewhere!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfmaiden14 View Post
    That was supposed to be encouraging.. how did you turn it to a negative?! XD
    LOL!! I'm sorry!! I'm autistic today!



    It's frustrating, I wrestle with it too. But.. there's always things in life you have to work through or deal with to get the better parts. I just write those kinds of things off as the stuff I "have" to do, and try not to focus on it. Bottom line.. your talents lie elsewhere. Remember what I said in the other thread about picking and choosing your battles with helping people? Same thing, only inside yourself. Sensing is weak because it's natural for us to "help" and strengthen our "insight" and seeing "past" what sensors see.

    It doesn't make having to develop some sort of Senses to survive any easier.. just, certainly don't think less of yourself because you have to! Think more of yourself because it means you have better strengths elsewhere!
    My INFJ guru strikes again. I'm keepin' this one.

    I suppose I just feel rather demoralized about not being more "physical" or "manifest" because that seems to be the currency of the world. I'm not to the point of defenestrating myself or anything, just frustrated. When anything eludes me, it turns into a bit of a earwig, drives me nuts. Must be my J grabbing on and vivisecting the hell out a personal enigma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post

    I suppose I just feel rather demoralized about not being more "physical" or "manifest" because that seems to be the currency of the world. I'm not to the point of defenestrating myself or anything, just frustrated. When anything eludes me, it turns into a bit of a earwig, drives me nuts. Must be my J grabbing on and vivisecting the hell out a personal enigma.
    I know the birding and the horses and the music and whatnot have already been mentioned, but it does sound like you just need to find an outlet for grounding yourself. If you don't "feel" real.. then create something that is. Then you must be manifest because you can't make something from nothing! Riding the horse gave you that connection, music creates concrete sounds, doodles or sculptures create pictures and tangible objects. It may even soothe your J because it involves some planning and concentration, and gives you a nice closed result. Rather than vivisecting.. it'll be putting pieces back together.

    I'm sure this can be explained, or already has been, in terms of Si and/or Se, but I'm at a loss as to how, so sorry I can't give it in those terms. XD
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