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    Default weak NFs

    Not weak as in mentally or physically, but weak as in the MBTI scores are not dominant.

    I recently met someone who scores as an ENFJ but is only really a moderate N, everything else is near the 50% mark (within 5%). I have not known him that long, and they do fit the ENFJ description to first approximation, but I am curious about this seeming non-preference for the different categories. Is this perhaps common for ENFJ? Scoring weakly, I mean? And what exactly does this mean for a personality? For instance, I've seen some discussion about emotional outbursts but I find this really hard to imagine for this guy. He is however, demonstrative and can be verbally mushy.

    This question could be explored for any type, but as this person has my immediate attention that is what I've been wondering about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hilo View Post
    For instance, I've seen some discussion about emotional outbursts but I find this really hard to imagine for this guy. He is however, demonstrative and can be verbally mushy.
    Just posted something about this in a simlar thread yesterday. ^ I relate heavily to that. As I stated yesterday, I relate to much of the ENFJ decription, but do not realte to the more extreme behavior. It is really rare for me to blow a gasket. I see myself as being much more easy-going than the overall ENFJ sterotype.

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    Extroverted (E) 52.5%........Introverted (I) 47.5%
    Intuitive (N) 65.63%..........Sensing (S) 34.38%
    Feeling (F) 55.56%............Thinking (T) 44.44%
    Judging (J) 51.43%............Perceiving (P) 48.57%

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    Most ENFJs I know do not have "emotional outbursts". Fe-doms tend to be very in-tune with what is appropriate for a situation. Feelers in general may be more prone to emotional outbursts when compared to Thinkers, but it's not an identifying trait. The ENFJs guys I know are clearly sentimental & emotionally demonstrative though; they exude more warmth than the average T guy. I'd consider if this individual fits the NF temperament in general.

    Also remember that Feeling in MBTI does not equal emotion. A Feeler may often seem more emotional and more in-touch with their emotions than a Thinker, but that doesn't mean they are lead by emotions or that they even come off as "warm". That can cause some to test T. I score close on the T/F scale (often scoring as INTP), and yet, my dominant function is Feeling.
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    except for my extroversion everything is pretty dominant. my N is like 85%. as is my feeling and perceiving. extroversion is within 5%
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    Extroverted (E) 65.63% Introverted (I) 34.38%
    Intuitive (N) 89.31% Sensing (S) 10.69%
    Feeling (F) 74.29% Thinking (T) 25.71%
    Perceiving (P) 74.19% Judging (J) 25.81%


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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Most ENFJs I know do not have "emotional outbursts". Fe-doms tend to be very in-tune with what is appropriate for a situation. Feelers in general may be more prone to emotional outbursts when compared to Thinkers, but it's not an identifying trait. The ENFJs guys I know are clearly sentimental & emotionally demonstrative though; they exude more warmth than the average T guy. I'd consider if this individual fits the NF temperament in general.

    Also remember that Feeling in MBTI does not equal emotion. A Feeler may often seem more emotional and more in-touch with their emotions than a Thinker, but that doesn't mean they are lead by emotions or that they even come off as "warm". That can cause some to test T. I score close on the T/F scale (often scoring as INTP), and yet, my dominant function is Feeling.
    Yes, I think looking at functional analysis can reveal alot. It seems clear that his dominant is in fact Fe - when asked directly he said that "empathy is the most important thing in making decisions." What's odd is that in his line of work he uses T a lot, although he has gravitated more towards collaborative efforts than solitary work. So, perhaps with people scoring in the middle, they find less challenge in developing their tertiary/inferior functions? (lucky them!) At least, I find the presence of an F in his field to be something of a mystery, yet I know they say any type can do any job, etc.
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    None of my scores go past 60% .. P/J is bascially an X

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    ^ What is his field?
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    To be honest, I'm not all that warm. I'm probably moderately F... I use Ti a lot (although, it's of average proficiency). Also, my N sometimes takes the lead... like 30%-40% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    ^ What is his field?
    theoretical physics
    I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
    - Umberto Eco

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    Ti = Ne (41.3) > Si (31.2) ~ Ni (31.1) ~ Te (30.1) > Se (24.1) >> Fe (21) & Fi (20.1)

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    Interesting topic. I consider myself a relatively weak N. I think I am strongest on F, but I have more extroverted times when I can be E or very close…also, mostly I have considered myself a strong J but currently my life is in a state of flux and I think my P is stronger than it has been for that reason.

    INFJ fits me by far the best of any of the 16 types. As far as having a weak N, though, I don’t relate at all to the NFs who say “oh, I’m practically psychic, I’ve never been wrong about anyone’s motivations.” I just find that arrogant and pretentious. I think a few times I have actually tested ISFJ, which might explain why I find certain NF preoccupations arrogant and pretentious.

    I sometimes think that I have stronger intuition than I give myself credit for…but basically, what seems to happen a lot is that I get strong feelings about situations and people, but I have a hard time quantifying them or putting them into words. Sometimes I only figure out much later what those feelings were about…or I never do. Anyone else relate to that?

    I was actually thinking of posting a thread about “practical NFs”…perhaps this is somewhat related. By “practical” I don’t necessarily mean good with bills and cooking, or whatever, but more having a practical streak in terms of romance and things like that. I mean, I love poetry (I think in my poetic sensibility I am very N) and romance etc but if people (particularly NFs) start going “oh, relationships are just about the spiritual communion of soulmates” or “I’m just such a tortured, misunderstood soul” I’m kind of like….blaaaaahhhhhh. Well, I would be understanding up to a point, but then I would want you to get over yourself a bit and think about real life. Even if I might have a hard time saying that to you.
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