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    Hiya everyone,

    I have been extremely interested in this subject for quite some time now. I've been reading all of these posts and I find it helpful, however I have some doubts on what all of this really means namely when most start speaking of "Ni"'s and "Fe"'s and the like. I have read descriptions, but I was wondering if perhaps someone could simplify the system. I would really appreciate it.

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    ello

    nice to have ya, welcome....here's some quick search links for ya...just search here or google for more
    Introverted intuition - Wikisocion

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    There can’t be any large-scale revolution until there’s a personal revolution, on an individual level. It’s got to happen inside first.
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    Extraverted Thinking analytical, strategic, plans, implements, organises others
    Introverted Thinking contemplative, discovering, theoretical, seeks self-knowledge
    Extraverted Feeling sociable, sentimental, seeks personal and social success
    Introverted Feeling inaccessible, enigmatic, self-contained, seeks inner intensity
    Extraverted Sensation practical, hands-on, pleasure-seeking, hard-headed
    Introverted Sensation intense, obsessive, detached, connoisseur, expert
    Extraverted Intuition adventurous, innovative, seeks novelty, proposes change
    Introverted Intuition idealistic, visionary, esoteric, mystical, aloof

    Carl Jung's Phychological Types

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    I consider this simplified, because a paragraph per process seems reasonable.

    Ni - Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to us. A disengagement from interactions in the room occurs, followed by a sudden Aha! or Thats it! The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future. Using this process, we might rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten, or transform. We could find ourselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs. This process can involve working out complex concepts or systems of thinking or conceiving of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal. It can lead to creating transcendent experiences or solutions.

    Ne - Extraverted iNtuiting involves noticing hidden meanings and interpreting them, often entertaining a wealth of possible interpretations from just one idea or interpreting what someones behavior really means. It also involves seeing things as if, with various possible representations of reality. Using this process, we can juggle many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our mind at once with the possibility that they are all true. This is like weaving themes and threads together. We dont know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction of thoughts, often brought in from other contexts. Thus a strategy or concept often emerges from the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand. Using this process we can really appreciate brainstorming and trust what emerges, enjoying imaginative play with scenarios and combining possibilities, using a kind of cross-contextual thinking. Extraverted iNtuiting also can involve catalyzing people and extemporaneously shaping situations, spreading an atmosphere of change through emergent leadership.

    Ti - Introverted Thinking often involves finding just the right word to clearly express an idea concisely, crisply, and to the point. Using introverted Thinking is like having an internal sense of the essential qualities of something, noticing the fine distinctions that make it what it is and then naming it. It also involves an internal reasoning process of deriving subcategories of classes and sub-principles of general principles. These can then be used in problem solving, analysis, and refining of a product or an idea. This process is evidenced in behaviors like taking things or ideas apart to figure out how they work. The analysis involves looking at different sides of an issue and seeing where there is inconsistency. In so doing, we search for a leverage point that will fix problems with the least amount of effort or damage to the system. We engage in this process when we notice logical inconsistencies between statements and frameworks, using a model to evaluate the likely accuracy of whats observed.

    Te - Contingency planning, scheduling, and quantifying utilize the process of extraverted Thinking. Extraverted Thinking helps us organize our environment and ideas through charts, tables, graphs, flow charts, outlines, and so on. At its most sophisticated, this process is about organizing and monitoring people and things to work efficiently and productively. Empirical thinking is at the core of extraverted Thinking when we challenge someones ideas based on the logic of the facts in front of us or lay out reasonable explanations for decisions or conclusions made, often trying to establish order in someone elses thought process. In written or verbal communication, extraverted Thinking helps us easily follow someone elses logic, sequence, or organization. It also helps us notice when something is missing, like when someone says he or she is going to talk about four topics and talks about only three. In general, it allows us to compartmentalize many aspects of our lives so we can do what is necessary to accomplish our objectives.

    Si - Introverted Sensing often involves storing data and information, then comparing and contrasting the current situation with similar ones. The immediate experience or words are instantly linked with the prior experiences, and we register a similarity or a differencefor example, noticing that some food doesnt taste the same or is saltier than it usually is. Introverted Sensing is also operating when we see someone who reminds us of someone else. Sometimes a feeling associated with the recalled image comes into our awareness along with the information itself. Then the image can be so strong, our body responds as if reliving the experience. The process also involves reviewing the past to draw on the lessons of history, hindsight, and experience. With introverted Sensing, there is often great attention to detail and getting a clear picture of goals and objectives and what is to happen. There can be a oneness with ageless customs that help sustain civilization and culture and protect what is known and long-lasting, even while what is reliable changes.

    Se - Extraverted Sensing occurs when we become aware of what is in the physical world in rich detail. We may be drawn to act on what we experience to get an immediate result. We notice relevant facts and occurrences in a sea of data and experiences, learning all the facts we can about the immediate context or area of focus and what goes on in that context. An active seeking of more and more input to get the whole picture may occur until all sources of input have been exhausted or something else captures our attention. Extraverted Sensing is operating when we freely follow exciting physical impulses or instincts as they come up and enjoy the thrill of action in the present moment. A oneness with the physical world and a total absorption may exist as we move, touch, and sense what is around us. The process involves instantly reading cues to see how far we can go in a situation and still get the impact we want or respond to the situation with presence.

    Fi - It is often hard to assign words to the values used to make introverted Feeling judgments since they are often associated with images, feeling tones, and gut reactions more than words. As a cognitive process, it often serves as a filter for information that matches what is valued, wanted, or worth believing in. There can be a continual weighing of the situational worth or importance of everything and a patient balancing of the core issues of peace and conflict in lifes situations. We engage in the process of introverted Feeling when a value is compromised and we think, Sometimes, some things just have to be said. On the other hand, most of the time this process works in private and is expressed through actions. It helps us know when people are being fake or insincere or if they are basically good. It is like having an internal sense of the essence of a person or a project and reading fine distinctions among feeling tones.

    Fe - The process of extraverted Feeling often involves a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure. The social graces, such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them. Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along.
    Understanding the Eight Jungian Cognitive Processes / Eight Functions Attitudes

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    This has helped me understand so much more, it may take some time for me to memorize, but I believe I should be able to keep up with the typology "language" now. Thank you for all your help!

    On another note.

    I often re-take these quizzes and I find that I'm barely an Enfj in almost every sense besides, I imagine, the extroverted streak I show. I also remember seeing x's in some of the spots of types besides the normal T or P and such. Does the x mean that you are both, or neither of those types? I hope that makes enough sense. I'm also fairly interested to understand what function positions mean.

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    It depends upon the person, but x can mean "not sure" or "in the middle".

    Many find the second definition as flawed interpretation of the system, because there is no dichotomy of T and F, S and N, etc.. there are functions with an order of dominance, excluding neutrality from possibility. Some will argue against this, but why argue against a theory? It is not presented as fact. It is a system.

    As for the tests, the problem with them is that you get typed however you wish, because it is easy to answer the questions as the person you wish you were, rather than who you actually are in your day-to-day life and interpersonal relationships.

    Examining the functions is the best way to go about it IMO, because you look at them and say, well I can much more relate to Te than Ti, Fi than Fe, etc.

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    Yeah, I often see that in the tests. I want someone else who knows me to take it answer what they think I would so I could see how the world saw me as well as how I see me.

    I think the little e and i's are somewhat annoying anyway. Everything seems to have the ability to change in an instant, and so I would say I find fault in strictly going with a system such as this because it can only give a baseline. It can't really take in the fact that a persons views change over time.

    Though, it is nice to have the amount of direction this system gives you.

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