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    I don't think ENTP either except for this pusillanimous pretend directive extraverted feeling.

    Coz either she's a type, or fucked up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    I don't think ENTP either except for this pusillanimous pretend directive extraverted feeling.

    Coz either she's a type, or fucked up.
    I like that word, pusillanimous. Great choice there.

    I still don't see where she exhibits extraverted feeling. Displaying emotions publicly does not equal Fe. The feeling (F), in this case, is a misnomer for emotions.

    For someone like me, who uses extraverted feeling, I would rather die than have everyone see this sort of exchange from me. Ok, not actually die, but I would want to crawl under a rock, for sure.

    Her behavior is of someone asking for advice and almost obsessing over something. This is not so unusual for an ENFP.

    Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Is it really about the type, or is it to keep the lines of communication open?

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    I wish to agree that it's not Fe. It's pretend. It's social engineering. Using the force of other people to create a result. Te in service of... something.

    That's if this is particularly easily represented as a type issue. Which it doesn't seem like it really is. Calling out type here was done with a purpose: to ask the question, where the fuck did this come from?



    But hey, I know I'm magnetic.





    EDIT: why does it matter to me? Well, I let it more or less ride for this long and it took a while to move from confused to pissed off.... my subjective evaluation is "I don't like this anymore.". It's a thing that has stunk for too long. Time to blow off the steam.
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    Yes, I missed the part where you said it was pretend earlier. Or maybe I didn't quite understand what you meant.

    I think it's better that you don't ask the questions (publicly) that you don't want the answers to (publicly). It may be easier to just not know, don't you think? Because when you call it to the forefront, it then demands attention.

    And if you really want my opinion, I'd say that this has nothing to do with using people for a greater purpose. I think it's more of a direct reaction to all of the indirect actions (real or perceived). It seemed like you were dancing around something (publicly) and she got fed up and called it what it was (publicly). But her reaction was the explosive one, so it appears that she is the one who is out of control. Whoever orchestrated that whole scene is the one who has the real command of Fe.

    But that's just my opinion...


    EDIT: why does it matter to me? Well, I let it more or less ride for this long and it took a while to move from confused to pissed off.... my subjective evaluation is "I don't like this anymore.". It's a thing that has stunk for too long. Time to blow off the steam.
    Since you like Lenore, here is some tert temptation stuff for you:

    Tertiary Fi (IxTJ): "I can't possibly go along with this, because it would mar my soul. It's not 'me'. I am a good person, and in order to maintain my integrity, I need to steer clear of this. This is the responsibility of those other people: it emerges from their souls, not mine, so it's their problem." The Secondary Function (Te) would say: "Do something. Take responsibility even if no one gave it to you, and go after some tangible gain right now, within the limits of the situation and your current understanding. That will improve your position, after which you can re-assess and plot a new course."
    and for her:

    Tertiary Te (ExFP): "Unfair!! I have to stick to my guns, I will not be bullied or cheated. Any number of authorities agree with me. All my friends agree with me. Everyone can see that my response is directly mandated by the situation: anything else would be irresponsible. These facts absolutely settle the matter, and there is no point in looking at it any further." The Secondary Function (Fi) would say: "Fair or not, reasonable or not, recognized by anyone or not, what would truly accomplish some good here?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    [Cursing edited out, thanks so much Dr Typeless, so in lieu of actually strengthening the remaining now fairly wimpy paragraph, let's just assume an atmosphere of antagonism]
    I hope your edit wasn't directed towards me, Kalach.

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    Yeah, see, I've been thinking functions for a while, and that hasn't been producing any answers. It just leads to an ENTP or ENFP debate.

    Were I taking responsibility I'd do something like say (perhaps less mockingly) gee, I made someone fall in love with me. And agree. And do something about it.


    But, like... no.

    If this "love" is so far out of proportion to what actual contact existed and has so little actual relation to who I am and blah blah blah, how come I'm supposed to buy into the story being told? Being responsible has to have at least some relation to what is true, both subjective and objective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    I hope your edit wasn't directed towards me, Kalach.
    Hey buddy. I stalk. Can't help myself. Doing anything Saturday night?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Hey buddy. I stalk. Can't help myself. Doing anything Saturday night?
    You're cute. But, no - I have to hang out with the in-laws. Helping them put up a fence in their backyard. Gonna grill out Saturday night.

    I'll save you a wiener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Yeah, see, I've been thinking functions for a while, and that hasn't been producing any answers. It just leads to an ENTP or ENFP debate.

    Were I taking responsibility I'd do something like say (perhaps less mockingly) gee, I made someone fall in love with me. And agree. And do something about it.


    But, like... no.

    If this "love" is so far out of proportion to what actual contact existed and has so little actual relation to who I am and blah blah blah, how come I'm supposed to buy into the story being told? Being responsible has to have at least some relation to what is true, both subjective and objective.
    I agree with you in theory. Only the two of you really know what happened, and even the truth is subjective to the both of you.

    That's not what I'm saying though.

    I'm asking you what you are accomplishing with this. Payback, revenge, what? If you really think someone is a nutcase, why antagonize him or her? What are you getting out of these posts?

    Rationally, you know that this will all blow over. And the few people that stuck around to read this will forget in a few days - and they don't even care that much to begin with - so this is not about repairing your reputation. No, it's about something else.

    So you now should weigh what you would like to happen to what is actually going to happen. What is the logical thing to do in this situation, if you really believe all what you said to be true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I'm asking you what you are accomplishing with this. Payback, revenge, what? If you really think someone is a nutcase, why antagonize him or her? What are you getting out of these posts?
    Freedom, potentially. The need to NOT have to deal with subtext in all future postings on any topic.

    So you now should weigh what you would like to happen to what is actually going to happen. What is the logical thing to do in this situation, if you really believe all what you said to be true?
    Indeed. The trouble is I am very unsure what is real. What, for example, is the truth of any interactions that have played out in other threads since this one? Do I need a defensive posture when posting? Will I be arguing the overt case of whichever topic, or dealing with some unresolved hidden forces?

    And what to do? Say sorry? For what? Being the unassuming magnetic ball of attraction I so obviously am? People can't control themselves around me.

    Taking responsibility for the feelings of others has a limit, and I would assume it is marked at the point where they no longer take responsibility for their own.
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