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    INFP = cute, exceptions prove the rule
    INTP = annoying, see above

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    thanks for all the information guys

    i think i have a good idea now how Ti, Fi, Fe and Te work.

    i do have a select few of friends who i'm comfortable with. i am quite good at social situations with strangers at this point in my life. i really wasn't before, but i've grown into it. i've learned how to behave properly and that's probably Fe in action. also, i think a big part of it is me being more comfortable with myself. i don't worry what other people think of me anymore. i am who i am and i'm not as worried about making mistakes as i was when i was younger.

    i also dislike fakeness. i know i have to play by the rules in social settings, but i always make sure i am real and true to myself. i have a couple of core values i operate with... the first one is that life matters, the second one is that everyone is equal and the third one is that everyone has got something to give. those are my values and i suppose that's Fi in action... (these are processes, but the core stays stable. i also keep my distance, until i realize that i am in a situation where i need to engage... that's probably what i meant earlier when i said that i can sense if someone is in need of something. also, i have learned how important it is to be discreet with people. i never want to make a fuss.)

    Ti, for me, is how things work. i have my thinking to keep me grounded (and to give me back to me), even though my life to outsiders might seem disorganized. to me, it is organized in my brain. Ne is the imagination, the how it could be, the fuel to Ti and the spice to life.

    eta: Lauren, i understand what you're talking about and that's how i also operate with people. in relationships you don't really need verification. it's the feelings and what unravels that matter. in the end it's up to the individual alone.

    editing again to add another thing... what i meant earlier about getting lost in feeling and then sort of contradicted myself when i said that i'm not dreamy... i suppose it's that i can get into that place, especially with art and in nature... but i don't live there. does that make any sense?

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    Here's something else I just observed. First off, my closest friends tend to be INFPs, and this one particular friend of mine, we were just chatting via Facebook, and I noticed that he puts a finger on these feelings/emotions I seem to be having- he expresses the feeling, the visual of it, knows how to shape it into language- and it's like it's not until he articulates them that I realize they exist.

    Meanwhile, he says that I notice the pattern of what he is expressing and place it into something conscious... like I notice the reasons, the logical cause and effect... I see the system behind it, but not in a rigid sense, like an extraverted thinker would, more like how a system is echoed throughout nature... just in varying sizes.

    I wish I could express this in words as perfectly as it exists in my mind... grr.

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    ^ i think i understand what you mean. i also have had those moments when someone else has put into words how i feel. when they get it right, it's like a door opens and i'm relieved. it's uncomfortable, if you don't fully trust the person. i don't usually open up to people about my troubles... i don't mind other people opening up to me, though. the only thing that annoys me is constant whining.

    i do live in the real world, even though i sometimes suck at it... but i do enjoy it... whenever i can...

    eta: the truth to me is that i feel people's feelings, but it's just sometimes hard for me to react in an appropriate way. i feel like i have so much more to give than i am capable of expressing. people who know me know this... some people don't understand. it is easier to do this when you know you can leave when the situation is over and the person doesn't expect you to keep dealing with it... (i even feel i am good at this... i am good when i don't feel too involved) but in a romantic relationship it's harder, because you can't shut yourself out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    Hmm, I think what I latched onto about what he was saying is that all of the INFPs and ENFPS I know personally still have the rapport. For example, one of my INFP friends is a social worker, and she does her woman poetry-reading groups, and she has a fairly large number of female friends. With strangers, she's not necessarily warm in a Fe sense (and she hates to schmooze), but there still is a semblance of warmth, a desire for human connection. You can sense a sweetness.

    Meanwhile, I handle it more with 'the laws' of interaction if I really have to... she has this joke with me about my being a 'stern Victorian woman' because I can seem very rigid and proper in my interactions, because that is what I have learned and so I use it- it's efficient, it gets to the point, and maybe I have a hard time being sweet and 'womanly', but at least I say, 'thank you'. (I'm not like this all of the time, by any means, but it is how I become when I'm uncomfortable and I have no alcohol around to unbridle me or a corner to hide in. Come to think of it, this sounds an awful lot like inferior Fe in action...)
    I don't relate to that.....people never call me "sweet". I don't think that makes me INTP though. I still disagree that INFPs are natural with forming rapport; maybe some are, but I think that's a poor way to measure Fi vs Ti. I've known INTPs who manage to come across more personable than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I don't relate to that.....people never call me "sweet". I don't think that makes me INTP though. I still disagree that INFPs are natural with forming rapport; maybe some are, but I think that's a poor way to measure Fi vs Ti. I've known INTPs who manage to come across more personable than me.
    Agreed.

    One should not confuse personality for internal processing. That mistake is made far too often. That you use Fi or Ti is a means of understanding someone, but it has little bearing on whether I like someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    Here's something else I just observed. First off, my closest friends tend to be INFPs, and this one particular friend of mine, we were just chatting via Facebook, and I noticed that he puts a finger on these feelings/emotions I seem to be having- he expresses the feeling, the visual of it, knows how to shape it into language- and it's like it's not until he articulates them that I realize they exist.
    My impression from this forum is that some INFPs are better at verbalizing things than others. Emotional awareness seems to be inherent to Fi, but that awareness isn't always easy to express verbally. I get the feeling that some INFPs are more visually or musically expressive (probably even more true for some ISFPs, I'd guess).

    Quote Originally Posted by yvonne View Post
    eta: the truth to me is that i feel people's feelings, but it's just sometimes hard for me to react in an appropriate way. i feel like i have so much more to give than i am capable of expressing. people who know me know this... some people don't understand. it is easier to do this when you know you can leave when the situation is over and the person doesn't expect you to keep dealing with it... (i even feel i am good at this... i am good when i don't feel too involved) but in a romantic relationship it's harder, because you can't shut yourself out...
    I think Fi-doms also struggle a lot with reacting appropriately, too. We can find it necessary to withdraw and process internally, which can be a difficult response for our loved ones to understand.

    Fi tends to demand that one be genuine, but genuine isn't always appropriate or socially polished. Learning how to navigate socially (and in relationships) without feeling compromised can be tough.

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    sigh... i wish i could make up my mind about my type. i think i want to be INFP, because in a way it's more me and also what i've tested the last couple of times, but i can't because i'm not sure... and to tell you the truth... i'm a bit scared to be INFP. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by yvonne View Post
    i can't because i'm not sure... and to tell you the truth... i'm a bit scared to be INFP. lol
    Why is that?
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    i don't know. i don't want to be that sensitive!

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