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    Notes from Undeground is fantastic so far.

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    Gustave Flaubert was an INFJ

    and JD Salinger obvious INFJ too.

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    I haven't read Joyce yet, but I can relate to what he once said in reply to a question of why he didn't leave the Catholic Church: "I may have lost my faith, but I haven't lost my mind."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcontent View Post
    Gustave Flaubert was an INFJ

    and JD Salinger obvious INFJ too.
    Why do you say that?

    How, specifically, do they categorize INFJs and the processes they posses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcontent View Post
    Gustave Flaubert was an INFJ

    and JD Salinger obvious INFJ too.
    I'd say Salinger was INFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    shakespeare is almost certainly Ti-Fe. i would say he's an entp. i'm in a shakespeare course right now and the context drives the emotional resonance not the character's inner experience. he has to be an Ne dominant, his phrases are too easy and endlessly.
    I'd have to disagree.

    Shakespeare uses Ne most definitely, but Fi absolutely.

    Fi doesn't necessarily have to construct all its work from inner experience - although Shakespeare does occasionally (i.e, Hamlet was written after the death of his son) - or create stories based primarily on allowing solid character development to move the plot forward. Fi is capable of engaging, thoroughly understanding, and even actively participating in gasp social interactions and interpersonal relationships. What Shakespeare does frequently in his work is highlight many of the social conventions of his time and instead of embrace them (Fe) he pokes fun at them (Fi) [<<<I could be wrong about Fe and Fi here]. He tends to loathe hypocrisy, esp from the clergy, and the formality of courtiers and others who scheme or desire to be a part of the exclusivity of the royal cabinet. Also, many of his themes center around appearance vs reality and he appreciates authenticity in his characters who have it.

    Further, I just can't ignore Hamlet. He was always sincere, even when he was full of sorrow, or frustration. His emotional state seemed to "change" so suddenly that it felt almost as if he were mad instead of merely feigning it. It was one of the few times I'd actually identified that well with a fictional character [Kenneth Branagh's interpretation is the one I keep thinking of. I prefer it even over the live plays I've seen]. Shakespeare's Hamlet in my opinion was one of his best plays because it was his most fluid. He knew Hamlet.

    Plus, I think only an INFP could have captured another INFP that well in words and on paper without making him look overly sentimental and pathetic.

    ...

    But then again,

    I could see ENTP. I just don't think that he is though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neptunesnet View Post
    I'd have to disagree.

    Shakespeare uses Ne most definitely, but Fi absolutely.

    Fi doesn't necessarily have to construct all its work from inner experience - although Shakespeare does occasionally (i.e, Hamlet was written after the death of his son) - or create stories based primarily on allowing solid character development to move the plot forward. Fi is capable of engaging, thoroughly understanding, and even actively participating in gasp social interactions and interpersonal relationships. What Shakespeare does frequently in his work is highlight many of the social conventions of his time and instead of embrace them (Fe) he pokes fun at them (Fi) [<<<I could be wrong about Fe and Fi here]. He tends to loathe hypocrisy, esp from the clergy, and the formality of courtiers and others who scheme or desire to be a part of the exclusivity of the royal cabinet. Also, many of his themes center around appearance vs reality and he appreciates authenticity in his characters who have it.

    Further, I just can't ignore Hamlet. He was always sincere, even when he was full of sorrow, or frustration. His emotional state seemed to "change" so suddenly that it felt almost as if he were mad instead of merely feigning it. It was one of the few times I'd actually identified that well with a fictional character [Kenneth Branagh's interpretation is the one I keep thinking of. I prefer it even over the live plays I've seen]. Shakespeare's Hamlet in my opinion was one of his best plays because it was his most fluid. He knew Hamlet.

    Plus, I think only an INFP could have captured another INFP that well in words and on paper without making him look overly sentimental and pathetic.

    ...

    But then again,

    I could see ENTP. I just don't think that he is though.
    my shakespeare teacher is enfp. he reads into shakespeare all kinds of things i don't see (tho he's one of my favorite people i've met in ages). my first paper will be on 1 henry iv. i will be examining hal's authenticity. prince hal seems like an entp. definite usage of Fe and the language of the other and Ti plotting/precision, opportunism, etc. shakespeare's humor and comedy feel way more entp to me than infp or enfp. he's gotta be an Ne dominant. he's so less tied to values and instead invested in this overarching view of humanity that pierces through the social values of the time. not to change them but to reveal his perceptions of human drama. this feels more Ti to me than Fi, although admittedly i do not have the shakespeare biography and i don't have access to his personal values. to me it feels more oriented towards what is true and what is not true than what is subjectively true for him. the drama speaks for itself and all evaluations can find meaning in it and identify with it, for it's human drama free of any particular constant point of view, rationale, judgment, etc. the true statements are the "all the world's a stage and the men and women are merely players." this does not feel Fi dom to me.

    i also think the greatest shakespeare critic (and a brilliant rhetorician), kenneth burke, was probably an entp. he just gets what shakespeare is doing as far as composition that is not about feeling at all. but about a different kind of truth about the human story. sometimes i wonder if balzac is an entp too, he strikes my fancy in similar ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cronkle View Post
    Milan Kundera is another writer that tends to be unquestioned in his INFJ-ness.
    Why?
    Because!

    No, really, I think his writing and Dostoevsky's exemplify Ni-Fe. Kundera takes a simple idea and explores it further, going deeper and turning it inside-out in a way that, rather than being random, curls back around and fits into the theme of the narrative. His preferred topics are love, beauty, existence. He focuses on teasing out the psychological motivations of his characters and relating them to universal truths. And, finally, he regards his characters with a sometimes detached, almost (but not quite) cynical wit I tend to associate with INFJs. Plus, based on his personal life it sounds very much like he is one.

    The Ne writers I've read are more imaginative in general, giving stories scope and dimension, but tend not to take a single idea and explore it to such depth. It really depends on what you're in the mood for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    my shakespeare teacher is enfp. he reads into shakespeare all kinds of things i don't see (tho he's one of my favorite people i've met in ages). my first paper will be on 1 henry iv. i will be examining hal's authenticity. prince hal seems like an entp. definite usage of Fe and the language of the other and Ti plotting/precision, opportunism, etc. shakespeare's humor and comedy feel way more entp to me than infp or enfp. he's gotta be an Ne dominant. he's so less tied to values and instead invested in this overarching view of humanity that pierces through the social values of the time. not to change them but to reveal his perceptions of human drama. this feels more Ti to me than Fi, although admittedly i do not have the shakespeare biography and i don't have access to his personal values. to me it feels more oriented towards what is true and what is not true than what is subjectively true for him. the drama speaks for itself and all evaluations can find meaning in it and identify with it, for it's human drama free of any particular constant point of view, rationale, judgment, etc. the true statements are the "all the world's a stage and the men and women are merely players." this does not feel Fi dom to me.

    i also think the greatest shakespeare critic (and a brilliant rhetorician), kenneth burke, was probably an entp. he just gets what shakespeare is doing as far as composition that is not about feeling at all. but about a different kind of truth about the human story. sometimes i wonder if balzac is an entp too, he strikes my fancy in similar ways.
    I hear you, state. But I can't not think of him as INFP. Something about it feels off.
    Let me think on it a little more - although I can't guarantee a change of mind.

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