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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Seymour thank you for trying, but no.
    Protean thank you for trying, but no.

    Elevating Fi to some heroic status at the expense of other functions does not help at all and I view the people who are doing it as shallow.
    What is shallow is those who don't have the guts to stand up for anyone, or anything.
    Apathy is worn on the face of cowards masquerading as decent human beings.

    Don't demonize Si and Fe and elevate Fi to bolster self-esteem and apparent need for superiority.
    Translated:
    Don't elevate Fi. It might make Fe-Si look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    I think if you really look at the root of racism, you'll see that there's a lot more to it than a "feeling-based opinion."

    And as much as I enjoy belittling the logic of Fi-ers, it's kind of an oversimplification to imply that Fi and feeling-based opinions are equivalent.

    And trust me honey, you'll rarely see me using the word "benevolent" to describe Fi, even if Fi-motivated opinions aren't the cause of racism.
    I don't think racism was originally caused by any particular function. Tribalism, the urge to protect one's own and procure goods for self/family and fear "the other" is some kind of primitive, animal thing. Can we honestly asign function to the roots of this phenomenon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I don't think racism was originally caused by any particular function. Tribalism, the urge to protect one's own and procure goods for self/family and fear "the other" is some kind of primitive, animal thing. Can we honestly asign function to the roots of this phenomenon?
    I completely agree with this. The key word that you used here is originally. The very essence of racism cannot be associated with any one function, as racism at its very core is fear. I cannot associate a function with the heart of racism just as much as I cannot associate a function with hunger, lust, maternal love, anger, or any other primitive emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    The discrimination I see right now is within the words of that post.
    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    I clicked on this thread and my mind is boggled by what people are suggesting.

    Racism stems from Si and Te, and Fe and Fi is the savior? I suppose this exempt other functions, especially the intuitive ones. This is such a mouth-dropping misapplication of MBTI...I think I lost a little respect for some people in this thread. No one is stopping to question if this is taking it a little too far? Some of the replies in this thread illuminates how clearly some people need scapegoats and that's made all the more easier when you have a handy four-letter coding system to slot them into.

    Here's some light reading: go pick up a book on ideologies--you can start with Karl Marx since he's most famously explained what ideologies are, then you can move into some authors that deal with racial ideologies, I've personally found this one to be a good starting point.

    Once you've got a small grasp on what ideologies are (and now for my Victor moment...MBTI is one ) and what a complicated mess of psychology, sociology, geopolitics, and economic push/pull factors they are, if you armchair psychologists can pinpoint specific functions that give rise to racism then go back reread everything you just read but this time with some reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.
    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    What are you surprised about? This is the inevitable result of folk typology.
    Oh, my I jumped on it when I saw the functions mentioned in that context. But my intentions are certainly not to create another kind of discrimination. And it's true, Jaguar, that it was you (the image you linked) I and others were engaging. I was actually trying to balance it, by showing that Fi was involved in both the good and the bad in the situation, where you were associating it with the good, and others were pointing out the bad. The focus on was on how the Fi was being manifested, according to its position in the psyche.

    Every process and type has its good and bad sides. But it is true that American society has been determined to be predominatly Te (ESTJ), and creating and maintaining a political power structure is something Te types will tend to rise to anyway, and this would figure in institutions such as the ones being described. That's all Iw as trying to point out.
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    Wow.

    This is the most provocative thread I think I've seen here for quite awhile.
    ...And pretty much like juggling live hand grenades.
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    It's probably one of least expected to have derailed in the direction it has anyway ...
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
    other things become bad."
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    Still trying to read all of it and catch the nuances.

    I'm sort of scared to even comment on it. One false move and.....fwoom!... down the whole thing comes.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    What is racism?

    If I believe the Japanese generally have better genetics for playing chess and poorer genetics for sprinting than West-African blacks, am I a racist?

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    Racism isnt Ti nor Te. Stereotypes are Ti and Te and based on logic, statistics, etc. Racism I would say is based on unhealthy fear and greed.
    Im out, its been fun

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    At the very least, if a discussion of racism is to exist on this forum, it doesn't need to exist within this thread. The exploration of that was a massive derail from the original intention of the post, and frankly, deserves a stand-alone thread. If it is to be discussed at all.

    If anyone wants to truly explore it ... it will be an issue that will undoubtedly offend and polarize many participants.
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