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    There is a fundamental contradiction between the answers that these two questions are getting:


    1. Do you think you're sometimes more selfish, mean, and less lovey-dovey than what people think us to be?

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    10. Do you think the world would be a bit better with more INFP's?!

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    People are even contradicting themselves within the same post.

    The answer to number 1 is most often Yes !

    The answer to number 10 is overwhelmingly NO!

    The reasons they cite for saying no to number 10 is that the world will be filled with too much fluffy pink bunnies, random silliness etc.

    HUH??? This contradicts directly with what they answer for number 1.

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    Things like this help to discredit the validity of MBTI, in my opinion.

    Is it supposed to be about preferences, or is it more about the stereotypes?

    The stereotypes just won't go away, and it seems like INFP's themselves are fostering the stereotypes with their answers to number 10.

    I wish Orangeappled (I'm calling you out, sister ) would weigh in on this.

    I'm not sure about my type, but if I'm the only (possible) INFP seeing this contradiction in the answers, then I guess I could safely rule out being an INFP myself.

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    There is also the possibility that you guys are being facetious in your answers to number 10,and I am just taking them way too seriously (as usual).
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplesunset View Post
    People are even contradicting themselves within the same post.

    The answer to number 1 is most often Yes !

    The answer to number 10 is overwhelmingly NO!

    The reasons they cite for saying no to number 10 is that the world will be filled with too much fluffy pink bunnies, random silliness etc.

    HUH??? This contradicts directly with what they answer for number 1.
    Are you sure about that? Going back over the answers, I saw only one user use "fluff and emotions" in his or her response to question ten. Additionally, he or she used an emoticon, which, to me, signifies that the response can't be taken too seriously. That same user's answer to number one fell in the gray area, which leaves the correlation between questions one and ten ambigious.

    For the most part, it looks like other commenter's answers to question ten have been without explanation. Those who do offer an explanation attribute their answer to INFPs inefficiency -- a trait to which I can personally attest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briar View Post


    Are you sure about that? Going back over the answers, I saw only one user use "fluff and emotions" in his or her response to question ten. Additionally, he or she used an emoticon, which, to me, signifies that the response can't be taken too seriously. That same user's answer to number one fell in the gray area, which leaves the correlation between questions one and ten ambigious.

    For the most part, it looks like other commenter's answers to question ten have been without explanation. Those who do offer an explanation attribute their answer to INFPs inefficiency -- a trait to which I can personally attest.
    I believe you're right. It would have helped if some of the people who answered no expounded on their reasons.

    Even so, doesn't this bring up other questions? Why would the world necessarily be more inefficient?

    They're comparing it to this world with SJ ideas about productivity and efficiency.

    Isn't it possible that if there were more INFP's, the world would be set up in such a way that what is viewed according to SJ standards, would be seen in a different light?

    Perhaps there would be different measuring sticks for success and efficiency, that would be radically different from the one we have now.
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    10. Do you think the world would be a bit better with more INFP's?!

    Definitely yes! The world needs at least more appreciation for NFs in general, and also more NFs in action to help make the wolrld a better place.

    To the other questions...

    Everyone is unique. I felt a need to be especially unique when I was a teenager, but not any more. I want other people to be just as special and unique and idealistic as I am. Many people have said that I am weird, strange etc, but I don't understand what makes me so different in these people's opinions. I feel perfectly normal, thank you very much.

    I have a dark side. Lately it hasn't been in much use, which is good. I can be selfish and mean, but usually that happens when I'm out of balance with myself, when I feel like I'm too abnormal and that I should be someone else. Thankfully, that hasn't happened in quite some time, at least not in the extent that it used to.

    Yes, I get very frustrated when I realise that there are a lot of people in the world who have become cynical, dull, selfish, and who don't understand certain realities, such as that our everyday choices have a global effects and that we need to be the change that we want to see in the world, and that any change is possible as long as people want to achieve it. Too often I hear things like "yeah, that would be awesome, but the reality is that it's not gonna happen, so we've just got to do it like this..." Don't they see that what they think is never gonna happen never happens for the exact reason that everyone thinks so? And that it could happen if, one by one, people started making a difference! Showing good example and inspiring others.

    And some people don't even seem to think about things like what's really valuable in life. They run in circles, performing tasks that they believe will be useful for their career in five or maybe ten years, repeating things like "it will pay off to spend your free-time networking, going to the gym and doing things that will help your future career!" Don't they get that they're making their life a meaningless rat race of individual performing!? Argh. I want to force some sense into those people, but they just don't seem to get it.

    Hm where was I? I don't literally feel other people's pain. I feel lonely very often but there are also times when I feel happy and balanced and whole, despite my loneliness.

    I'm not a music snob. I have a wide taste in mucis and I dislike it when people make bad judgments of me (or anyone else) just because I listen to Britney Spears. Oh, how UNCOOL it is to listen to such SIMPLE music! Uncool and simple your toe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplesunset View Post
    Perhaps there would be different measuring sticks for success and efficiency, that would be radically different from the one we have now.
    You could be right. I would very much like to see a world like that : )
    However, something tells me SJs are probably the most prominent because their standards of efficiency truly are the most effective.
    Otherwise, wouldn't life be like what you described?

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    1. Do you think you're sometimes more selfish, mean, and less lovey-dovey than what people think us to be?

    Ho yeah, absolutely. But I'd rather say that we can be rather than that we just are. You think we can't be cynical? I know I can. A lot.

    2. Do you infact have a pretty dark side, which find a lot of people and things shallow, and unlikeable, and you'd like to stick pins in their eyes? But you wouldn't actually do it, because you are pretty nice realllyyy?


    This kinda ties in to my cynicism. I'm all too aware of people like this. I'm constantly criticising people, movies, shows, and music in my head. I just can't believe the monotony and roboticness of a lot of these things. In the end, for people anyway, I don't have it in my heart to do or say anything.

    3. Do you feel frustrated towards people that don't care about things that really matter? Do you get frustrated at those that seems to only care about sports, clothes, and their hair?


    YES. I can't STAND people obsessing over trivialities. If you care about sports, clothes, hair, etc. that's cool, whatever. But I can't stand it when people make it their LIFE.

    4. Do you often feel lonely?

    I've always been good at self-entertainment, but yeah, I get lonely and long for someone I can relate to.

    5. Do you get random ideas in the middle of the night, and you get so exicted thinking about doing it tomorrow, but then tomorrow comes and you're not excited about it anymore, thus don't do it?

    All the time! Sometimes I just get up during the night and do it, depending on what it is.

    6. Do you consider yourself unique?

    I guess so, but everyone's unique in a way. But! I also believe that it's impossible not to conform to something. It's only human.

    7. Do you literally feel other people's pain?


    Yeah, and it really sucks sometimes. Someone's bad mood can turn into MY bad mood.

    8. Are you a bit (or a lot) of a music snob?

    Not so much a snob, I just like what I like and have a lot of criticisms towards certain music, although you'll rarely hear me talk about it. I don't want to start anything with anyone. I have friends that are real elitest when it comes to their music. In my opinion, who the fuck cares? You like what you like, your taste is no better than anyone elses.

    9. Have you had people you've never met before tell you their life-story?

    There's a few people in school I can recall doing this to me. Totally took advantage of me trying to be polite and not ignore them. Gaaah. They were always attention whores, too.

    10. Do you think the world would be a bit better with more INFP's?!


    In certain aspects maybe, buuut... having a majority of anything never really seems to turn out good. Someone always gets hurt.
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    1. Do you think you're sometimes more selfish, mean, and less lovey-dovey than what people think us to be?

    No one is perfect, least of all me.

    2. Do you infact have a pretty dark side, which find a lot of people and things shallow, and unlikeable, and you'd like to stick pins in their eyes? But you wouldn't actually do it, because you are pretty nice realllyyy?

    There are people I don't like. I don't think this is a dark side, I think it's just part of being human. We're dual creatures.


    3. Do you feel frustrated towards people that don't care about things that really matter? Do you get frustrated at those that seems to only care about sports, clothes, and their hair?

    Only when they try to apply pressure on me to like these things as much as they do or if I am forced to endure long conversations about said topics.

    4. Do you often feel lonely?

    At times.

    5. Do you get random ideas in the middle of the night, and you get so exicted thinking about doing it tomorrow, but then tomorrow comes and you're not excited about it anymore, thus don't do it?

    I am more likely to either forget or get side tracked into something else rather than lose excitement.

    6. Do you consider yourself unique?

    People are always telling me I am strange and weird, my whole life, so I must be. But then every personal is unique and individual even while having the similarity of being human. So it comes down to a question of how much is one similar and how much is one unique to those around them.

    It is neutral thing though. It does not make one better or worse to be more different, it just is.

    It amuses me that people seem to think that admitting that you're different from the people around you is some sort of self-congratulatory thing, a sign of narcissism. Believe me, if you are truly different from those you've been around, it has been the sand in your shell your whole life with others who are intolerant of differences and you know it. To deny it is a strange sort of false modesty that is really out of place. It doesn't mean one is better or anything to admit that you're different from those around you. It is really just owning a personal truth about your own reality.

    7. Do you literally feel other people's pain?

    Yes, often. This is one reason for introverting.

    8. Are you a bit (or a lot) of a music snob?

    No, I listen to everything.

    9. Have you had people you've never met before tell you their life-story?

    Yes, all the time.

    10. Do you think the world would be a bit better with more INFP's?!

    I have never considered this. The world is what it is. I am still trying to make sense of it.

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    1. Do you think you're sometimes more selfish, mean, and less lovey-dovey than what people think us to be?
    Based on feedback from others as it concerns the INFP type, my sense is that I am not, so I do not think as such. I tend to be straightforward as it regards those things I am selfish about. The degree to which I am mean is the degree to which my verbal play gets pokey - but I usually give thought to the receiver and their state, trying to assess if my comment will serve as a stimulus by which they would feel hurt. If so, I either pre-warn or don't go there at all. As it concerns being lovey-dovey, I don't know if I am, if I understand the phrase. With those I am intimate with, I am loving.

    2. Do you infact have a pretty dark side, which find a lot of people and things shallow, and unlikeable, and you'd like to stick pins in their eyes? But you wouldn't actually do it, because you are pretty nice realllyyy?
    I have a dark side, yes, but I don't concern it with those kinds of things. If something seems shallow to me it has to do with my perspective and my values, but not the person or thing judged as such. I don't wish harm on people as individuals. I do sometimes think that humanity itself (of which I am part) should be cleansed from the Earth in a great flood, or plague, or such - but that usually is a thought born of feelings of empathy alongside hopelessness.

    3. Do you feel frustrated towards people that don't care about things that really matter? Do you get frustrated at those that seems to only care about sports, clothes, and their hair?
    No, and no. What I think matters is mine, and mine alone. Others may share in those values, or they may not. Who am I to say my values are superior to theirs? They work for me, but not anyone else. I find some real pleasure in those who concern themselves with things like sports, clothes, and hair simply because I don't usually concern myself with those things and to witness those who do shows me some novelty and the beauty that is the diversity of the world and the expressions of those within it.

    4. Do you often feel lonely?
    Not at this time in my life, no. There was a time past when my choice of Fear over Love meant I avoided life and the people in it, and at that time I often felt lonely - but not now.

    5. Do you get random ideas in the middle of the night, and you get so exicted thinking about doing it tomorrow, but then tomorrow comes and you're not excited about it anymore, thus don't do it?
    In the middle of the night I am sleeping, so no, I do not. That said, my interests and my enthusiam for those interests ebbs and flows, and sometimes the flux is across days as opposed to weeks or months.

    6. Do you consider yourself unique?
    Yes, just as every human being is unique. I'm in no way special, though. I'm just like everyone else - trying to meet my needs the best way I can with the resources available to me.

    7. Do you literally feel other people's pain?
    There's (at least) two ways to consider this. 1) no, I feel a sympathetic resonance with others such that when they hurt, I hurt, and 2) no, because "other people" is a perspective born of my usual level of conscious awareness that says "self" is divided from "other," when in truth, there is no division, but a unified whole.

    8. Are you a bit (or a lot) of a music snob?
    Not at all. I love what I love and my taste is my taste, and others love (or not) what they do, and their taste is theirs. Neither is better or worse than the other.

    9. Have you had people you've never met before tell you their life-story?
    Yes, but my sense is that has to do with the context of they way I present with their particular state - they have to be in a place where they desire to do such a thing for it to happen.

    10. Do you think the world would be a bit better with more INFP's?!
    No, I quite think and feel the world is just right as it is, with the people in it now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    [b]1. Do you think you're sometimes more selfish, mean, and less lovey-dovey than what people think us to be?
    Always. I'm kinda like a mean, grumpy teddy bear (so I have been told). Kids and animals see through my slightly off putting demenor, but adults think I'm blunt, arrogant, and slightly uncomfy to be around. Only rare individuals get to see through to the gentle, kind side. I think I come across as ridiculously honorable though, at times. I'm also occasionally a little stiff and uncomprimising, which drives certain people nuts.

    2. Do you infact have a pretty dark side, which find a lot of people and things shallow, and unlikeable, and you'd like to stick pins in their eyes? But you wouldn't actually do it, because you are pretty nice realllyyy?
    Actually, if I cared to repeat half of what went through my head about people, I'd do a lot of emotional damage. Again I'm blunt, I don't think I'm cruel though. I chose my words carefully, but I'm a bit of a bitch. I'm not Sunshine and rainbows, but oddly people still seem to like me.
    3. Do you feel frustrated towards people that don't care about things that really matter? Do you get frustrated at those that seems to only care about sports, clothes, and their hair?
    Yes. I'm slightly more tolerant (at times) then when I was younger, but not by much. It's around these of people I have a reputation of being a bitch and an intellectual snob. I
    4. Do you often feel lonely?
    Sometimes. Not as much as my teens and twenties. Everyone feels lonely at times.

    5. Do you get random ideas in the middle of the night, and you get so exicted thinking about doing it tomorrow, but then tomorrow comes and you're not excited about it anymore, thus don't do it?
    Always.
    6. Do you consider yourself unique?
    Like a snow flake. Just as unique as everyone else.

    7. Do you literally feel other people's pain?
    Yes. It can be quite crippling at times.
    8. Are you a bit (or a lot) of a music snob?
    yes

    9. Have you had people you've never met before tell you their life-story?
    All the frickin' time.
    10. Do you think the world would be a bit better with more INFP's?!
    Um, everybody would certainly be a damn site more considerate. Other than that, um, even though I kinda like myself, and other INFP's, Hell NO! Nothing would ever get done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    1. Do you think you're sometimes more selfish, mean, and less lovey-dovey than what people think us to be?

    I'm pretty cold and aloof until I can intuit a reason to let someone in. I have very clearly defined boundaries that I refuse to allow anyone to encroach upon. In that way, some would call me selfish.

    I don't know where the "lovey-dovey" thing comes from. I don't freely express warmth and affection.


    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    2. Do you infact have a pretty dark side, which find a lot of people and things shallow, and unlikeable, and you'd like to stick pins in their eyes? But you wouldn't actually do it, because you are pretty nice realllyyy?
    A pretty dark side yes! Glitter and Doom!
    It manifests as searing cynicism and cutting sarcasm. But usually just a sullen disposition. And fixation with the profane for the sake of diggin' out what's sacred in there..

    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    3. Do you feel frustrated towards people that don't care about things that really matter? Do you get frustrated at those that seems to only care about sports, clothes, and their hair?
    Not really. They're kind of a relief from my own dismal thought life. My mom always tells me I take life too seriously. It's good to be around people every now and then who just want to enjoy the moment. It's a relief. Though too much is a bad thing, like anything. There needs to be people who care in order to get things to run efficiently and fairly. I just don't expect everyone to think and function and feel exactly like I do, anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    4. Do you often feel lonely?
    I used to often feel lonely. As I have gotten older, the lonliness fades in and out with greater spans between. I mostly feel lonely when I have conversations with people about ethics or morality.. and some people have a pretty cut-throat stance. When it comes to those conversations, while I am able to be objective, I also consider my feelings about the subject. It's the feeling that leads me to the answer. My feelings are always guiding me to: "Harm none." It's completely subjective and not respected in an "intellectual debate". So, it makes me feel lonely.. as if my feelings are obsolete, as if I don't belong here...

    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    5. Do you get random ideas in the middle of the night, and you get so exicted thinking about doing it tomorrow, but then tomorrow comes and you're not excited about it anymore, thus don't do it?
    Gahh! Yes. That's why I usually get right to work...if I can.

    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    6. Do you consider yourself unique?
    Not really. I'm actually sort of bland.

    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    7. Do you literally feel other people's pain?
    I don't feel their pain. Their pain touches me and I feel my own pain through sympathizing with them. I won't pretend to know what anyone elses feelings feel like.

    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    8. Are you a bit (or a lot) of a music snob?
    No. I can find something to enjoy about most anything...

    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    9. Have you had people you've never met before tell you their life-story?
    Well, I've met them. I've had recent aquaintances bare their soul to me before. But that was when I was younger and seemed a lot nicer. It hasn't really happened recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by GirlFromMars View Post
    10. Do you think the world would be a bit better with more INFP's?!
    It would be a lot more interesting.

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