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    Fi is about values, self-awareness, and values, values, values, personally derived ones, intrinsic ones, Right and Wrong.

    As an ENFP we hold dear and near to us what our Fi tells us, it is the holy grail, it is the quiet yet strong voice in our heads spoken from our hearts.

    It is what makes life meaningful, why we live.

    When we feel hurt, disillusioned, sad, frustrated, mad this is when either WE go against our Fi, ie when we let ourselves down, temporarily going against our values, or when we feel we are on the wrong path, or...

    When others hurt that thing which we hold so dear!!!

    You hurt my Fi, you lacerate my soul.

    Fi seeks truth, fairness, understanding, compassion, authenticity, love, and goodness!

    Fi wants Right to prevail over Wrong, within ourselves and within the world.

    Fi in itself is not a nasty function in the least, but when we feel someone or something is going against this finely tuned bell of constantly revised understanding of Truth, yeah, we'll become angry, incited, and may even lash out at those we feel are being unequivocal Assholes.

    No one's perfect.

    We understand.

    Fi is all about understanding ourselves and others.

    What makes you, you and why?

    What makes me, me and why?

    How are we the same?

    How are we dissimilar, and why.

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    I don't have time to read all the replies, so I apologize if I repeat points already made. I was not happy with an INTJ pairing, personally, but that's not necessarily indicative, I guess. The experience for me was one of me being overly infatuated and him retreating into a deep dark hole over time and kinda dragging me with him. (Or I ran after him, trying to pull him out, I guess, which irritated him and made him retreat further.) It wasn't just the I part, either, as I have been happily married 15 years to an I (SFP). I don't think the pick such and so type theories hold water. I seem to recall reading that actual research showed the more letters you have in common, the better for your relationship. Three letters off, with INTJ, would be really hard. My best relationships were with ISFP and with another ENFP. I've never known an INFP male, to my knowledge, but get along great with healthy INFP women, for whatever that's worth. I have male friends who are ENFJ, but I've never been romantically attracted to one. Still, all these things are individual. Depends what qualities freak you out because of childhood issues (J for me), where you want to balance yourself (S for me) or where you need someone to "get" you (F and P for me). You're an ENFP, trust your instincts above anything anybody else says. I ignored warning dreams about the 2 worst relationships I had, but followed the advice of my dreams to marry the man I did and they were right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Ugh if only you guys understood socionics. All of the relationship styles of the types are very clearly given...
    And very clearly bullshit.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    And very clearly bullshit.
    Dont pin your lack of understanding on us.
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    Dont pin your lack of understanding on us.
    I've read all the background on the relationships between types and I very rarely see any of them actually work in practice.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I've read all the background on the relationships between types and I very rarely see any of them actually work in practice.
    Reading doesnt equal comprehension nor understanding. Just the ability to match a group of letters to a thought/image/sound.
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Yeah, the reason why it bothers me is because some people really enjoy this dynamic in a relationship - the power exchange, dominance and submission, playing up to a partner so they'll "take care of you" - and clearly if someone is choosing to be in a relationship with someone who does these things, they are choosing to play the game. All I see going on here is a bunch of people who do not prefer that style of romantic or sexual play postulating about why they personally find it distasteful. It's like...mmm...okay. That's nice. If you don't like it, that's cool, but why are you forcing your own sexual and emotional preferences on us by slyly calling what we do "manipulation" and other vaguely perjorative terms.
    I don't get this response. It's like any time some suggestion is made, it's interpreted as though we want to imprison people for bothering us. I mean, have you noticed how much ENTPs don't like to be controlled, either?

    If we're commanding anything, it's that you simply be careful with what you do, and preferably don't do it towards members of the general public, and make for damn sure that you aren't inadvertently inflicting harm on someone you care about. A monstrous thing to say to someone, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Hey look, another ENFP and ENTP bicker fest! It's not like we don't have a million threads that turn into this.

    So what's this all about then!
    Your guess is as good as mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Can't you guys take your whining and complaining about Fi somewhere else? Must it always come to this? WTH?
    Can't you take any comment that isn't waxing poetic about the glories of Fi without resorting to the fangs? At the very least, can't you accept that our opinions on the subject are just as valid as your own?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    What else is new.

    Also, playing the hypocritical card at this stage is kinda..yeah. Hypocritical, I'd say. And hilariously ironic.
    Shouldn't have done this. I told Q I wasn't going to do this, but you couldn't leave well enough alone:

    Sorry..I'm kinda tired of the whole Fe judgement scales. Really am. You (= general you, for Fe-users who feel this way about Fi, btw) may consider Fe fairness, I consider it a jugmental bitch at times. You may consider Fi immature, but to me it stands for acceptance. Embracing differences and rising above them without losing your own identity in the masses, yet willing to share it with those that appreciate it, without paranoia or fear of judgement.
    Plz look at your responses, think them through and tell me how you're not being judgemental.

    Oh and the last paragraph, I meant rising above the differences, that's what the *them* was referring to. Kinda..interesting to see you automatically assumed it was rising above people I wanted to do.
    I'm seeking to understand, not to convert. I wonder if you do the same. Coz although I by now understand why it is Fe-users see it the way they do, and I've signalled that as such, I have yet to see any clues of understanding from your side. And I am trying to explain..but I wonder if it's an explanation you want, if you seek to understand, or if you seek to convert. To make me see the error of my ways. You say 'others have these reactions and responses others have to your actions'. Untrue. These are the responses and reactions *you* have to me, and other people who feel the way you do. Fe-users aren't the majority though. There's just as many Fi users, and I don't see you catering to them, or trying to adjust to their needs. To realize the consequences of your actions on them.
    Amazing how a paragraph can start and end with completely contradictory sentences, right?

    Oh, and for all the lovely prose about "acceptance" and "understanding":

    And I'm not date-raping anyone. I think part of the problem is that you feel blindsighted by this. Only you and Q have, in this discussion, said that it was not consented. The question is in the approach. I've already given you an example: if a guy tries to sync up with me, his motivation for doing so is quite clear, as doing so tends to reveal a part of who you are, it..provides personal info, kinda like pheromones. If I sense genuine curiosity, and admiration, I will gladly let him sync up with me, respond to his emotional nudge. If I sense that it's a means to an end, I'll smile and refuse to answer his nudge. This all happens without explicitely stating it..but it's still communication. Maybe it's something you don't really pick up on? And that's where this paranoia comes from? You only notice it after someone repeatedly nudged you, or has already gone further in the process without you picking up on it?

    ...

    It's just an additional means of communicating, to me. I consider it a benefit to be able to make people feel at ease with me. It smoothens things out, and it makes me relax as well. It closes that annoying social gap that's there. And some people don't know how to bridge it. I do. So I'm happy to do it for them. And they're more than welcome to tell me 'no'.
    As for the dialogue..my bad. If I remember correctly, I started by answering some genuine-seeming questions by the two ENTPs on the dynamic of Fi between INTJ and ENFP, which was still relevant to the topic. Of course, as always, it spiralled out of control when tertiary Fe met Fi. Oh well.
    So, it is not that you're missing something? It's not that you might be misinterpreting a friendly nudge for a hostile take over?
    I don't think you really know what I mean by a nudge.
    Oh really?

    It's a game
    One upping, much like you guys do, beating each other with wit. I do that with emotions.
    And yes, then it is manipulation, and the other is doing the same to you, to see who can make the other feel uncomfortable, or make them blush, or make them speechless the first. It's still the 'manipulation' of each others emotions, changing your emotional states as such. But it's for fun. It can also be done to benefit the other, to change their mood from sad to happy, or to make them experience pleasure. That too can be requested.
    The healthy among us at least admit our "games of wit" can have grave and serious consequences.

    Oh, and the best of all:

    And you call us oversensitive? You do the same with mind-rape, dude. And you also tell us to grow up and get over it. And once again, I might not like a guy's hand on my body, but it's not something to scream 'rape' over. I'll just tell him it's not appreciated. Period. As for full blown emotional manipulation, I only use that out of sheer self-defense and even then I'm reluctant, or when it is in fact invited and requested (and yes, I do check that twice before going for it), though maybe you've met people who are less ethical, I dunno. That Fi-connection is somethign I treasure anyways, and don't just share with anyone as it makes me vulnerable too.

    I agree that forcing something on someone is never right. And I for one very much get pissy when I see someone forcing someone else into something they clearly don't want. I'm also the first to stop if I notice that the other person isn't enjoying what I'm doing, whatever that may be, emotional manipulation or not. I'm agreeing with you on this, 100 per cent.

    But realize this isn't evil. It's just not your preference. And other people do very much enjoy it, and that doesn't mean you get to scream 'rape' every time you see it happening.
    Not seeking to convert. Only seeking to understand. Right.

    Q's not hypocritical at all. She's deadly accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Because this thread isn't about you and how you feel about us. ENTPs seem to think everything is about them.
    A conversation is a free-flowing thing. It goes from one place to another. That you would suppress others' thoughts on things because you think we "think everything is about [us]" (blatant projection if I've ever seen it) suggests a disturbingly Orwellian facet to your character that I'd hope we would have all grown past at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Kindly refrain from telling me what to do. Ever.
    Those who would reject a gift outright - do they even know the impact that it has on the giver?

    Did you not read the whole story about the goddamn burrito?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    After some thought-Amar-you need to evalute the way you use Fi on people who you aren't fucking. Its a powertrip hidden behind a slutty sugar coat. Quit using Te to justify and use Fi to ethically evaluate the consequnces. Its fucked up.

    On a brighter note.

    Fi is about air. Salty fresh cold in my mouth nose throat. Fi feels. Fi is about how millions of grains of sand mix in thousands of colors, all crumbling, merging, differntiating, continually. No end no start, just flowing amorphism. Fi is how you can feel the way the waves sound. The way they pull your soul in and out, as they crash.

    Fi is waves, ne sees the patterns, the merging, the potential, endless complexity, yet repeating over and over in simplicity.

    Why wouldn't the world be a cycle? Why would it ever end? Fi isn't about me, its about everything all connected, all one endless entity.

    Heaven would be to merge into oneness with the patterns, until there is no end, no beginning.

    Also I came up with a cool idea about Fi forging simulations mentally. My entp says that's bullshit and then Fi connects people across time and space and my simulation idea is crap.

    Alrighty then. Entps are always right.

    Time to take a nap on the sand, tangle my fingers into the hair of my lover, the ocean.
    We're not always right - but we always do have a nugget of validity hidden in everything we say. It's good to have feedback from others who see things differently, and are interested in growth.

    HP's my friend. She's also one of the wisest people I've met, both online and IRL. That's because of Fi - she "gets" the big picture on a metaphysical level that I'll probably never understand. However, she also understands that every one of her actions impact others, and that no matter what, even if she doesn't "feel" the Fe, hurting others hurts her as much as it does them. We've had several discussions where we've genuinely disagreed, but never these sorts of flamewars because both of us understood that the disagreement was where the opportunity for learning and growth lay.

    Thank you for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Actually saying something like "we bat our eyelids and make people work for us" is a Te-analysis, possibly superficial, of some, possibly real, process X.
    Why does batting eyelids work? To garner an emotional response. That knowledge, I can't see it being solely in the domain of Te.
    I mean, when the ENFPs say they're using some manipulative process, that act of saying is Te. And that they're using Te to describe the supposed process automatically makes it granted that there is a process. They don't necessarily get the title of the process right since they're not talking in Ti, and they don't necessarily describe it right since they're, well, using Te--Te makes things sound mechanical and impersonal.

    I may be projecting.

    But these thoughts sorta of go together with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    faith is different than the confidence you get from Te. i generally find Te to over-estimate its abilities. it is good at getting something done, but the value of what that something is often leaves me feeling this, meh, but WHY did you do it that predominant Te users can never seem to answer (only evade).
    uumlau responded well to this one. My own version is:

    Because they could and they wanted to, in that order. Te is like a beloved mechanical arm. We can crush beer cans, break glasses and lift up buildings. Why? Because we can, and therefore, eventually, because we want to. That thinking process gets to be viewed that way because of its extroverted focus, I think--it's not actually separate from us, but the focus is on things separated from us, so the thinking takes on that flavour of separate, objective, impersonal, needed by the situation... And we get involved because we can. What else could we do given these functions?
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    Parts of the conversation barely belong here and should be taken somewhere else. That doesn't mean that the opinions expressed in those particular threads of conversation are invalid or should be censored; just that there's a better place for those particular conversation threads.

    That is all. Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Because, of course, you calling touching people's emotions and playing games with a romantic partner assault and thought crimes is not at all judgemental.
    Not of a person, just of the actions.

    When I was 14, I'd go slug a buddy in the arm to greet him, and he'd do it in return, and it was all fun and games. As I got older, I realized that punching people in the arm to greet them was inappropriate, since a lot of them really did not like that sort of violation of their personal space, nor the reaction from the violent act. So I stopped doing it to most people - the only ones I'll do that to are the ones I already know enjoy that sort of thing.

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