ENFPs don't do manipulation any more or less than another type. However, some individual ENFPs, when they want to utilize manipulation, evoke their Fi within, and it can turn into flouncing and pouting, emotional games, etc....
...however, as evidenced by my rep comments, other ENFPs find such behaviour in their comrades foreign to themselves, and a bit distateful.
To each their own. Flavours, taste the rainbows, or some such relevant NF analogy.
We can go too far in labelling behaviours, all and sundry, to the consequence of functional manifestations, rather than the functional manifestations being a consequence of the individual's own intention. I dunno, like self-esteem.
Appropriate response? Can range from anywhere between to ORLY?! to . Depends on the individuals involved and their personal intentions/desire, and dynamics between.On the other hand, that the ENFPs do wander around flouncing and pouting... they must know they are themselves up to something...
And surely they are. There's some type dynamics thing at work here. I think everyone does play up their tertiary function in relation to other people. In the relief role, it does want attention. If it gets to be expressed in communication with someone else, one gets a buzz. So if the ENFPs are wandering around saying, look at me, lalalala, I'm manIPulating you. Check me out, it's a process I call <pause for Marylin Monroe voice> extraverted thinking... Mr President.</>
The appropriate response is the flat level ORLY? stare, and then they tell you the truth.
Salty sweetness. My tongue screams more.Does anyone have a tissue? I seem to have spilled Fi on my lapel.
You play with thoughts, we play with feelings. Doesn't quite translate.
One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't beloooong...
I would have thought it would have been evident, how much more reverence my point was giving to feelings, as a personal identity of a person, than "neutral" thoughts.
Me, two.Yeah, they were describing it wrong, I think.
This is insightful. And, it makes sense. As the ENFPs who, in rep, seemed to have had issues with the stance of this flavour of "Fi manipulation", are also ones who have a good handle on their Te.Perhaps that kind of behaviour does go on, but as a (hopefully) surface representation of a more real process: a push pull of rejecting and accepting lower level functions. The relative lack of facility with the lower level functions produces a gloss of mocking acceptance/rejection, playing up the lack of facility. If one didn't want to try and use that function, there would be no need to "play up" and pretend to push it aside.
Why does batting eyelids work? To garner an emotional response. That knowledge, I can't see it being solely in the domain of Te.Actually saying something like "we bat our eyelids and make people work for us" is a Te-analysis, possibly superficial, of some, possibly real, process X.
I think this is the main thing those who were supporting such "Fi manipulation" wanted to explain. It is harmless teasing that is invited and welcomed by the other party.Or they may just like to tease, who knows.
I just think that throughout the course of the discussion, a lot of contradictions, and extreme statements made this simple point disappear into obscurity.
Yes, there was already mention of "mental" abuse, feeling assulted, being mindfucked [not in a good way], at the hands of the ebil Ti.Actually.... instead of "feels it has an individual "value"/right to block", just "blocks". Don't you find it so? When you want to go ahead and analyse, and some Fi user is tossing up objections that have nothing to do with the logical content of the analysis and everything to do with their feeling of being assaulted.
So, we'll go with your correction.
In response, Damn you Fi, screams the frustrated feeling Ti.
If only amour could be that simple and formulaic. Poets, writers, country musicians, therapists and the rebound dude, would lament that day.Yep. Lots of ground for intellectual appreciation, and the relevant intellectual values can be satisfied. Whether this actual lets one love someone else... Actually, it probably does. And lots of little mutant babies ensue.
You fight a good fight, padawan.*is tired of being negative, feels disturbances in the force*