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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Thoughts aren't owned in the same way emotions are owned by a person. Because one is felt, and the other is not.

    I don't care if you play with my thoughts, only rule: do not attribute that thought to me, once you've played with it.

    Otherwise, go ahead, knock yourself out (and, most times, I'd even want you to play around with it, I lead with Ne).

    However, the same thing cannot be done with emotions. Because....it is personally felt.
    I think that's also coz you feel more secure there. I don't have a problem with someone trying to play with my emotions, coz I know them through and through. I don't appreciate people turning my head upside down though, coz it leaves me feeling abused and stuck cleaning up the mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    I think that's also coz you feel more secure there. I don't have a problem with someone trying to play with my emotions, coz I know them through and through. I don't appreciate people turning my head upside down though, coz it leaves me feeling abused and stuck cleaning up the mess.
    But, if what you said above is true, then it's all emotions, you're responding with.

    Obviously you care about someone playing with your emotions, then, if you attach emotions to everything, including thoughts, such that if a "line is crossed"...it evokes an emotion in you, of feeling abused???

    So, do you, or do you not, care about your emotions being played with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Does there have to be?
    There always is whether or not there has to be.

    By what standard?
    Status.

    Because nuclear physics doesn't work with the Newtonian model.
    Indeed. Though it does not change what is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    But, if what you said above is true, then it's all emotions, you're responding with.

    Obviously you care about someone playing with your emotions, then, if you attach emotions to everything, including thoughts, such that if a "line is crossed"...it evokes an emotion in you, of feeling abused???

    So, do you, or do you not, care about your emotions being played with?
    I have no problem with people prodding my emotions, as long as I know upfront, or I don't know the person, or if it's someone I know, they're clearly teasing (aka trust won't be violated). I do have a problem with people trying to mindfuck me as I have trouble reasoning my way out of it. And that frustrates me. The emotion is at that point a byproduct though. If they also won't stop when I ask them too, that leaves me feeling abused and trust will be slow to repair if at all.

    However, if people are on purpose trying to frustrate me..I see it coming miles away, and I'll gladly join the game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Thoughts aren't owned in the same way emotions are owned by a person. Because one is felt, and the other is not.

    I don't care if you play with my thoughts, only rule: do not attribute that thought to me, once you've played with it.

    Otherwise, go ahead, knock yourself out (and, most times, I'd even want you to play around with it, I lead with Ne).

    However, the same thing cannot be done with emotions. Because....it is personally felt.



    ?? I don't understand what you're meaning here. If you mean that you misrepresented what the other said/meant (manipulation), then, see above, my point about "only rule".
    Also, see:
    My thoughts are owned in the same way that feelings are owned. IRL they are an extremely private thing, all you get to generally see is my actions. I dont want someone to just take my thoughts without making it their own internal judgements. I dont want that kind of responsibility over others actions. Now I may try to logically help them, but it is not necesarily my personal logic, but helping them with their logic.
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    There always is whether or not there has to be.
    Sure about that? Can we not simply be?

    Status.
    What kind of status?

    Indeed. Though it does not change what is true.
    That both are simply models at looking at things? Ya, I'll grant you that one - that is true. The question then is whether or not the universe as we perceive it is simply the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    I have no problem with people prodding my emotions, as long as I know upfront, or I don't know the person, or if it's someone I know, they're clearly teasing (aka trust won't be violated). I do have a problem with people trying to mindfuck me as I have trouble reasoning my way out of it. And that frustrates me. The emotion is at that point a byproduct though. If they also won't stop when I ask them too, that leaves me feeling abused and trust will be slow to repair if at all.

    However, if people are on purpose trying to frustrate me..I see it coming miles away, and I'll gladly join the game
    Whether it's a byproduct or not, you somewhere along the way attached a feeling to the thought, an emotion, and it is your emotion that makes you feel happy or sad. A thought itself has no emotional flavour. Neither happy, nor sad.

    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    My thoughts are owned in the same way that feelings are owned. IRL they are an extremely private thing, all you get to generally see is my actions. I dont want someone to just take my thoughts without making it their own internal judgements. I dont want that kind of responsibility over others actions. Now I may try to logically help them, but it is not necesarily my personal logic, but helping them with their logic.
    How would anyone know your thoughts unless you tell them? So any thoughts that are private, stays private. Any thoughts that are manifested, projected out, is not private any longer. It is still within your control - what to make private, what to make public. In this, you give consent for it to be played with.

    Emotions that are private, or public, regardless, are still a person's feelings. It doesn't necessarily give you the right to play with them.

    You make a statement about suicide. I take that statement and start thinking of possible other responses to it. It's not about you, or me, it's about the topic of suicide.

    You have a feeling about committing suicide. I take that feeling and start to play around with them in possible ways. It is about you, and me doing it to you, about your personal stance/feelings on suicide.

    Imagine the difference.

    There's a reason why there's something called emotional abuse, but no such thing called a thought abuse - except "thought police"/censorship - where one is stopped from thinking. Emotional abuse is not about stopping someone from feeling, though. It is about making them feel something negative that is not what they want to feel.

    Emotion is felt. A thought is neutral, unless a value is attached to it (then, it becomes paired with a feeling/an emotion).

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    There is such a thing as brainwashing though. And that is also illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Sure about that? Can we not simply be?
    Why would we simply be?

    What kind of status?
    Everything that has so far happened in your life to make you stand where you are now.
    That both are simply models at looking at things? Ya, I'll grant you that one - that is true. The question then is whether or not the universe as we perceive it is simply the same.
    The perception is that everyone's perception is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Why would we simply be?
    Why not?

    Everything that has so far happened in your life to make you stand where you are now.
    Is that knowledge...? Or are those simply the impacts of some other bits of matter and energy upon myself, creating a pattern?

    Am I the same person I was ten years ago, not having a single molecule shared between us?

    The perception is that everyone's perception is different.
    But does that make anyone's perception true in the first place?

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