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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    That's the purpose of Te for the INTJ. The Ni keeps on telling us "this is like that", for all sorts of unrelated things. Te kicks in and says, "No it isn't." Or Te kicks in and say, "Oh, wait, there might be something to it. *scribble scribble think think* Oh, yeah, wow, that works!" When I'm going "all out INTJ" it's a continuous dialogue, with Ni throwing out all sorts of understandings, some of them extremely sophisticated, and Te keeps it grounded in the real world.
    Yes, as long as Te keeps up in development. Otherwise you get the cliche INTJs with megalomania and overactive imagination. See INTJforum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    haha, I do recall thinking, hmmm.. this is interesting. so what do I do with this information? I think it was exceptionally simplistic compared to what you guys do honestly.
    You were correct in using Fe to invoke it. It is also invoked using Te.

    Overall, I think iNtuitives are just intuitive, no i/e attached. It's the attitude of our judging functions that direct it. When I pull out Fi, it is definitely using Ne. I'll write music out of nothing. It will just want to go all over the place. I end up having to use Te to redirect and edit it, turning it into something that succinctly conveys the core essence of the Fi/Ne expression.

    I'm betting that if you think about it, you use Ni with your Te, and usually not Si, in spite of the official MBTI ordering. (In the meantime, I'll put sugar, not Ni, in my Te.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    I remember this about ISTPs and tert Ni-it is very visceral and sort of pops up out of the blue. I think the ISFPs-Fi, Se, Ni have the same thing happen. It's interesting to read charles Bukowski's poetry as you can see the poems cadence-Se, Se, Se, Fi, Se, Se, then this dramatic Ni moment, then back to Se, Se again. I see this a lot with your posts-you are trying to take these really abstract things and restate concretely, but dont have the right words.


    I could see this in my Ex ISTP and his art. He was as practical a human being as you can possibly be, yet he would draw really odd things. It was like Ni forces it ways up? I dunno?? meh, I am just making up stuff I am afraid, but keep posting Poki as I like trying to understand how you see these things.
    Lol, it gets pretty bad and me and my wife have been together for so long she knows exactly where and why I go somewhere. Last night I heard musical 3 beats on the TV and I started singing "Jeramiah was a bullfrog". Have been playing alot with Ni recently.

    edit: Ti is failing me so I am shifting to a Se-Ni combination.
    Im out, its been fun

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    I tend to get along famously with ENFPs, but i'm not particularly attracted to them.
    Out of pure necessity. I love doing things, but not schfifty-five things at once
    The "natural drama" mentioned earlier is also a major deal-breaker in most young ENFP women.
    I'm only 22, so this might and might not change as both them and I mature.
    But it's kinda like I have no problems being a perfect boyfriend. None at all.
    I can even tolerate a lot of shit, like I have with a bunch of ExxP girls i've dated, up to a certain point.
    But it's like there is always, and now I do mean always, a whole lot of drama and weird mind games.

    It's like i'm not at all complicated. I know exactly what I want, how, when, why and where.
    Most young/immature ENFPs don't seem to know their direction, and spend all their time running all over the place doing God knows what.
    Young/immature INTJs tend to read a lot, do nerdy stuff, work, indulge in knowledge, think about stuff and at least I have done a loooooot of introspection.

    I've met mature ENFPs in real life and i've talked to some on here... Really nice individuals.
    It's just that those i've met in real life tend to be in their forties or fifties.
    Kinda sucks, because it would be fun to try out a romance with a psychologically mature ENFP.
    It's kinda sad that most ENFPs tend to be so fickle and almost bipolar-like fast paced.

    I know INTJs sure are not without flaws. Most self-described INTJs on here and other places don't seem like very balanced or nice people. Hell, not even competent, intelligent or knowledgeable.
    To my understanding, immature/underdeveloped INTJs are just as common as immature/underdeveloped ENFPs.
    Two natural trouble types.

    I bet many grow out of it until they're 30 or so.
    I just haven't seen much of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    This is also why we like the puns: "this word sounds like that word." Te rejects it as false, but Fi notes that it's really funny if you say it. Then we say the absurd pun statement and see if anyone notices.
    Dude that's awesome! You guys have your Fi silly switch all wired backwards, but maybe that's why we like you. We do the same thing with NeFi. Ne makes crazy ass connections, that really arent in anyway legit, but it is hysterical to say them-I guess because of Fi. I think that's why we give people pet names. Everyone gets a list of Ne connected pet names, each with a funny Ne connection in my mind, every time evoking silly laugter.

    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    I'm betting that if you think about it, you use Ni with your Te, and usually not Si, in spite of the official MBTI ordering. (In the meantime, I'll put sugar, not Ni, in my Te.)
    Na, I have to stick with Si for me-it makes too much sense. Every now and then I will get an Ni-like sense but Si "feels" very, very correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I bet many grow out of it until they're 30 or so.
    I just haven't seen much of it.
    I'm 33. My friend at work is 36. We both use a significant amount of Te, so can be very serious, but have distinct silly switches and are prone to emo sometimes. Emo is how ENFPs learn I think.

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    Young ENFPs do plenty of reading, introspecting, geeky/nerdy stuff, soaking in, exploring and integrating new information, i.e. learning, getting into esoteric shit, and other things typically attributed to being a T, or, more specifically, an INT.

    But more than that, your average ENFP is going to be a "soul searcher" from a very young age, she will ask herself who she is, and constantly find herself and attempt to truly understand herself.

    Self-awareness is something that Fi forces upon yourself, so even though we are experimental stimulus whores, within the whirl of excitement there is the Fi center/core/anchor/Self constantly there keeping us in check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    Dude that's awesome! You guys have your Fi silly switch all wired backwards, but maybe that's why we like you. We do the same thing with NeFi. Ne makes crazy ass connections, that really arent in anyway legit, but it is hysterical to say them-I guess because of Fi. I think that's why we give people pet names. Everyone gets a list of Ne connected pet names, each with a funny Ne connection in my mind, every time evoking silly laugter.
    I make up songs about my cats, my nephew, or whatever I happen to be doing at the moment and sing them to people (or just to my cats)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Young ENFPs do plenty of reading, introspecting, geeky/nerdy stuff, soaking in, exploring and integrating new information, i.e. learning, getting into esoteric shit, and other things typically attributed to being a T, or, more specifically, an INT.

    But more than that, your average ENFP is going to be a "soul searcher" from a very young age, she will ask herself who she is, and constantly find herself and attempt to truly understand herself.

    Self-awareness is something that Fi forces upon yourself, so even though we are experimental stimulus whores, within the whirl of excitement there is the Fi center/core/anchor/Self constantly there keeping us in check.


    Exactly.

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    Young ENFPs do plenty of reading, introspecting, geeky/nerdy stuff, soaking in, exploring and integrating new information, i.e. learning, getting into esoteric shit, and other things typically attributed to being a T, or, more specifically, an INT.

    But more than that, your average ENFP is going to be a "soul searcher" from a very young age, she will ask herself who she is, and constantly find herself and attempt to truly understand herself.

    Self-awareness is something that Fi forces upon yourself, so even though we are experimental stimulus whores, within the whirl of excitement there is the Fi center/core/anchor/Self constantly there keeping us in check.

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    What I meant is that it's incredibly hard to trust an ENFP.
    ENFPs are also good at geeky things, I know. That's kind of why we'd be prone to like ENFPs, I think.

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