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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post


    I know what Fi and Fe mean it is just that Fe is usually just Fe while there can be much larger differences between Fi and another Fi. What makes it harder to balance it out. (if we presume that the entire function order is correct)
    I disagree. The "sincerity" of Fi appeals to me in other people while the even-handedness of Fe makes me mildly suspicious. I love knowing where I stand with another person. The reason why Fi can work together, despite differing value systems (as long as the value systems aren't insanely, wildly different) is because of that sense of genuine connection.


    I say this as someone who had an ISTJ father, and has been in a LTR with an eSFP man in the past...there is something about Fi that feels very...genuine to me. Fi makes me feel certain of another person's loyalty. Fe makes me wonder what they're really thinking.

    I've had Fe doms/aux complain that my affections for others are too particular. I am also slightly suspicious of the sincerity of my own ENFJ sister.

    I know this sounds anecdotal - and as an ENFP I guess I have a very hard time not sounding anecdotal - but the reason why two Fi users can be good together is because of a mutual understanding of the basic emotional approach to life, despite any shades of difference in value systems.

    I don't know if this makes any sense at all. I think it's also necessary to point out that Fi can be very nurturing, but it's just not always in the conventional way you might expect. It's like tailoring your nurture specifically for a particular person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I disagree. The "sincerity" of Fi appeals to me in other people while the even-handedness of Fe makes me mildly suspicious. I love knowing where I stand with another person. The reason why Fi can work together, despite differing value systems (as long as the value systems aren't insanely, wildly different) is because of that sense of genuine connection.


    I say this as someone who had an ISTJ father, and has been in a LTR with an eSFP man in the past...there is something about Fi that feels very...genuine to me. Fi makes me feel certain of another person's loyalty. Fe makes me wonder what they're really thinking.

    I've had Fe doms/aux complain that my affections for others are too particular. I am also slightly suspicious of the sincerity of my own ENFJ sister.

    I know this sounds anecdotal - and as an ENFP I guess I have a very hard time not sounding anecdotal - but the reason why two Fi users can be good together is because of a mutual understanding of the basic emotional approach to life, despite any shades of difference in value systems.

    I don't know if this makes any sense at all. I think it's also necessary to point out that Fi can be very nurturing, but it's just not always in the conventional way you might expect. It's like tailoring your nurture specifically for a particular person.
    True.


    But we are discussing Fi+Fi vs Fe+Fe instead of Fi+Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    Ne takes away Se anxiety. Ne optimism frees the present from the huge and terrifying past and future. it just puts the Ni dom in the moment, and optimistic about the future. we trust it once we realize that it works, that the judgment function of the other person has a viable/better cost analysis strategy than we do. if they don't, then we're gonna reject it, and a general cautious stance takes a while to get the message when it would work better than what we are doing (but it's not perfect! or airtight! or complete!).

    with my entp friends, i realize that their judgment plus Ne optimism generates a lot of happiness and good feeling and problem-solving in ways that can free me up to be at my best. we Ni types just get weighed down with too many problems, foresee too many negative outcomes, difficulties, the tightrope seems too impossibly thin and twisted to ever successfully walk it. Ne helps us branch out rather than demand a single straight line.
    mmmm...I asked my entp how she used Ne with her INTJ boss and his Se.

    She said the trick was in the data... For him the data was the concrete Se result. She would identify patterns, do a bit of pre-work to identify the Ne pattern (ie generate data when he wasnt looking), then sit and draw the lines connecting the concrete data to places where she saw the Ne patterns. This could take some back and forth-but he could not deny the concrete results in front of him, thus it legitimized the Ne perception.

    ah, you speak words of wisdom state!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I disagree. The "sincerity" of Fi appeals to me in other people while the even-handedness of Fe makes me mildly suspicious. I love knowing where I stand with another person. The reason why Fi can work together, despite differing value systems (as long as the value systems aren't insanely, wildly different) is because of that sense of genuine connection.


    I say this as someone who had an ISTJ father, and has been in a LTR with an eSFP man in the past...there is something about Fi that feels very...genuine to me. Fi makes me feel certain of another person's loyalty. Fe makes me wonder what they're really thinking..
    I recognize this Fi authenticity and honesty. I also find it very appealing.

    I think the Fe users see it differently-I have had many entps really be distrustful of heavy Fi users. They say it feels very fake, yet dissolve under heavy Fe usage that honestly sickens me. Heavy Fe feels fake and overly sugar coated to me. Yet logically I understand it is real, and the Fe user means well, so I sort of have to work my way around the weird-icky feeling I get with it.

    Try giving an ENTP the full-on Fi google sweet stare. They think you just received a head injury. They will actually ask "Are you okay?" Its quite funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    True.


    But we are discussing Fi+Fi vs Fe+Fe instead of Fi+Fe.
    Yes, and I'm making a case for Fi + Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    Truth? About if a type combo is a disasterous combo? Surely you see that as a subjective idea. How could it hold 'truth' across the board at all?
    "Deciding truth" in INTJ-speak is deciding which action to take. It seems like this would amount to asking the ENFP to play along. But since "the truth" was perceived using this individual's intuition, deciding which action to take seems to amount to asking the ENFP to forgo his intuition. In function-speak, asking the ENFP to reduce their Ne to an Se role.

    And vice versa. One or the other intuitive gets the short end of the perceptual involvement stick.

    They presumably must learn to share somehow. And presumably somehow get over the fact that neither side has that much connection to the physical world, and doesn't naturally "play along" in the way the other expects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    They presumably must learn to share somehow.
    Yes, this is what people tend to do in relationships.

    And presumably somehow get over the fact that neither side has that much connection to the physical world, and doesn't naturally "play along" in the way the other expects.
    Wow, you must not play much, or not know how to play, and you definitely don't know how much fun it is and can be to play with someone who is compatible with you, (in the dominant intuitive sense) yet different, this, actually, makes the playing that much more intense, challenging and exciting!!!

    Once again, too much theorizing here, Kalach, and way too little experience.

    Get out, find a girl, a woman, or a man, if that's your preference and actually take the experience in sans your theoretical predictions of how it ought to be or play out.

    You never know, you might be blown away and have to go back to your theoretical drawing board and rework a few ideas.

    And, that, my friend, would not be such a bad thing at all, methinks.
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    Yeah, I know, right, this intuitive connection making, picturing of a possible world, it's all just playing with air, isn't it. It's only real if you get the actual experience, in detail, from many angles, making up a library of experiences to draw understanding from, yeah. That's how you learn what's possible. You can't really know anything until you get the experience, amirite buddies?!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Yeah, I know, right, this intuitive connection making, picturing of a possible world, it's all just playing with air, isn't it. It's only real if you get the actual experience, in detail, from many angles, making up a library of experiences to draw understanding from, yeah. That's how you learn what's possible. You can't really know anything until you get the experience, amirite buddies?!

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    esfp dual, meet kalach. to be continued?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    She said the trick was in the data... For him the data was the concrete Se result. She would identify patterns, do a bit of pre-work to identify the Ne pattern (ie generate data when he wasnt looking), then sit and draw the lines connecting the concrete data to places where she saw the Ne patterns. This could take some back and forth-but he could not deny the concrete results in front of him, thus it legitimized the Ne perception.
    This worked for data-Te/Ti sharing to build trust in the Se/Ne interfaces.

    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Wow, you must not play much, or not know how to play, and you definitely don't know how much fun it is and can be to play with someone who is compatible with you, (in the dominant intuitive sense) yet different, this, actually, makes the playing that much more intense, challenging and exciting!!!

    Once again, too much theorizing here, Kalach, and way too little experience.
    How do you translate and build Se/Ne trust across an Fi connection? AO mentioned ENFPs/INTJs seem a little unstable maybe...How can you trust Fi, the delicate INTJ variety, to something as fluttery as an ENFP? The ENFP is in the past-future and spends fleeting moments in the present.

    Sapienne said it earlier and I didnt catch the significance. Fi is highly kinesthetic and tactile. Sapienne talked about how important the physical touching plays in her relationship. I would suggest that might be very important in building the Ne/Se trust over the permenance of Fi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Special K, the panda with two first names View Post
    Yeah, I know, right, this intuitive connection making, picturing of a possible world, it's all just playing with air, isn't it. It's only real if you get the actual experience, in detail, from many angles, making up a library of experiences to draw understanding from, yeah. That's how you learn what's possible. You can't really know anything until you get the experience, amirite buddies?!
    Yup! See you did understand.

    My mind flutters endlessly across all boundaries, imagines all possibilities, but my lips, my hands, my body, my kisses, caresses, all lay here in the present with the person I am with. Every touch, every caress, every kiss, builds into a historical ruleset that exemplifies and amplifies the initial Fi connection. Sound right Sapienne? This may be why we enfps seem kinda easy, yet in reality a one night stand can feel like being discarded. Part of sharing Fi was in sharing that physical part of ourselves. I'd suggest this directly links to our partner's need for the actual physical Se concrete reality.

    K, walk out the door, go to the beach, walk past the ESFPs playing volleyball. Walk to the edge of the beach and find the chick with a book. The sweet one who smiles and then breaks eye contact with you after a few seconds. You should be good to go. You'll need to kiss her though. Or at least hold her hand.

    I am going to go have a beer now. Wait its 7 am. I am going to dump some vodka in my coffee. You guys make me emo.

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