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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I know, but ENTP/INFJ sounds like a more balanced combination than a ENFP/INTJ to me.
    ENTP = Ne/Ti/Fe/Si

    INFJ = Ni/Fe/Ti/Se

    ENFP = Ne/Fi/Te/Si

    INTJ = Ni/Te/Fi/Se

    How in the hell is it more balanced?!!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    it's a silly phrase but the enps i know know trust that i have my eye on the prize in a way that they do not. the focus, concentration, depth of vision, gravity, discrimination (not in the bad way), etc. i recognize what is really there beyond talk and human busywork. the psyche, life, the universe, human history, religious life, finding purpose, art, societal needs, etc.

    you both want to communicate bc you both recognize your visions are bigger than those of others, and so you have more to learn from each other.


    Hell yes, an INJ finally gets it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I know, but ENTP/INFJ sounds like a more balanced combination than a ENFP/INTJ to me.
    i just see it as e5 injs are more dangerously fussy. and more intjs are e5s than infjs, so they're more hot-cold and afraid of getting hurt bc they are terrified of their own emotional vulnerabilities.

    i feel caught in between both threads. in the entp/infj threads, also, most of the time it's male entps and female infjs. e5s can be way more sensitive when they care/invest than people expect, and being the male in the introverted role creates some weird social issues, at times, too. especially for wary e5 injs who see a lot of potential problems looming in the future. the balance of gender expectations is probably most effortless in entp male/infj female. enfp female and intj male makes a lot of sense, but i can see potential awkwardness/conflict over the male feeling a bit territorial, protective, problematizing, etc.

    enfp females have a huge range and i've see them with intjs, entjs, infjs, intps, infps, and occasionally istjs. they're way more naturally in line with female gender expectations, so they pretty much date everybody. i find entp, intj, intp, and infp females to be far more focused and know/have a much better idea of what they want. which is also reassuring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    The inferior function is explicitly rejected by the dominant. .
    Hmmm…

    So I think you are incorrect regarding the “rejection of the inferior function” I think we reject our 8th function. For me that is Se. I’d say the inferior function is just neglected.

    Although jung said this regarding sensation in Ne doms which explains why we think we use Se:
    “Very often he will even use the word sensation. He does have sensations of course but is not guided by them as such; he uses them merely as starting points for his perceptions. He selects them by precocsious predilection. It is not the strongest sensation in the physiological sense that is accorded the chief value, but any sensation whatsoever whose value is enhanced by the intuitive’s unconscious attitude. In this way it may eventually come to acquire the chief value and to his mind it appears to be pure sensation.”


    So to meta analyze the issue-from the perspective of these mysterious Ne/Si perceiving functions:

    My Ne at first blantly ignored your Ni perception that the inferior functions had any effect at all. You are correct-there was no foundation in Si or any foreseeable Ne connection that would suggest these functions to play as significant a role as you mention. Te discards as insignificant.

    Then, after much discussion, the role of Si as being somewhat conservative was revealed. This took a lot of time and thought-like a week of serious consideration. However-just as your Ni predicted, Si does play a role in ENFPs, even if somewhat instinctually. Thus Ni was PROVEN true.

    What does my Si do? It stores it as a new rule. Rule: I’d like to ignore that Ni information as it doesn’t fit historically (Si) or connectively (Ne), however in the past (Si), Ni was correct, thus should be given fairly intense consideration, even if initially the observation seems disconnected and arbitrary.

    This then will make Ne and Si look at the Ni observation and spend considerable time trying to understand it. Of course using their own toolkits to gather more data. Si-Is this something I have seen before? Am I absolutely certain? Can I find data to support this? Ne-How can I connect this or develop trends? If this is true I’d expect that A, B, C, and D would also be true. Are they true? Just for me, for everyone? This data would then be used to support the Ni perception

    As for “Ni user rejects Ne options because they lack (or contradict chosen) immediate physical application” well my pet unicorn doesn’t really like INTJs anyways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    enfp females have a huge range and i've see them with intjs, entjs, infjs, intps, infps, and occasionally istjs
    Yeah, we are not typists!

    they're way more naturally in line with female gender expectations, so they pretty much date everybody


    Say WHAT!?!?!?

    Explain yourself more clearly, here, please, because I find both these statements inherently untrue and offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    ENTP = Ne/Ti/Fe/Si

    INFJ = Ni/Fe/Ti/Se

    ENFP = Ne/Fi/Te/Si

    INTJ = Ni/Te/Fi/Se

    How in the hell is it more balanced?!!?


    Well as you proabably already know (since are NF) people are more than their functions order.

    Also I think this because because of the fact that the INFJ is an F so the entire entire thing is more balanced. Since TP/FJ is more balanced since there is 1:1 ratio for "offensive tools" (T and J). While in ENFP/INTJ case that often is not the case. I mean it is harder to fine a balance of power that is needed in a relationship. (of course this depends on people and desires)



    Also ENTP and INFJ as Fe users are more ..... I will call it "concerned" about the partner. While Fi is a little bit more selfish and self-absorbed in general.



    This is just my hypothesis of course.

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    Fi's all about empathy baby, and once you find someone who has Fi-values that reflect or are harmonious with yours....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Also ENTP and INFJ as Fe users are more ..... I will call it "concerned" about the partner. While Fi is a little bit more selfish and self-absorbed in general.



    This is just my hypothesis of course.
    Could you elaborate on that AO? I keep hearing about how NFPs are generally more "selfish" and "self-absorbed" than Fe users, and I guess I'm having a hard understanding what is meant by that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Well as you proabably already know (since are NF) people are more than their functions order.

    Also I think this because because of the fact that the INFJ is an F so the entire entire thing is more balanced. Since TP/FJ is more balanced since there is 1:1 ratio for "offensive tools" (T and J). While in ENFP/INTJ case that often is not the case. I mean it is harder to fine a balance of power that is needed in a relationship. (of course this depends on people and desires)



    Also ENTP and INFJ as Fe users are more ..... I will call it "concerned" about the partner. While Fi is a little bit more selfish and self-absorbed in general.



    This is just my hypothesis of course.

    Fi is not necessarily more self-absorbed in love. Actually, the way Fi sees it sometimes, instead of following social convention or feeling a need to spread graciousness to the entire group, Fi's "selfishness" can mean that the Fi-user channels a very focused love into specific people - like lovers, close friends, family members - in an empathetic, devoted way. Fi love can actually be quite intense.

    I think you mistake what Fi v. Fe even means. It's as though you're defining it as Fi = feelings for self and Fe = feelings for others, and that's not what it is. What you're saying about ENTP/INFJ v. ENFP/INTJ doesn't even sound logical to me.

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    Fi can definitely be more self-concerned, and I guess self-absorbed, but it's that we're self-reflective thinking about how things feel, how things are, how things ought to be.

    Is Fi selfish?!?!

    Hell no!!!

    Fi is an intrinsic moral compass, it's the very definition of empathy.

    We are all human beings with incredibly similar basic feelings and behaviors.

    The more you know yourself, the more you understand others.

    Fi is self awareness.
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