You know yourself better than I do, and none of what I am about to say is intended to invalidate your self-perception. It still "feels like" you are using Ni, to me. To me, Ni is subconscious pattern matching. Rather than Si-recalling specific details, Ni memorizes patterns, which arise from memory absent details. Those patterns are then matched against what one observes. When the pattern matches really closely, we get our predictive power - we are aware of what was, what is, and what will be, because the pattern says it happened that way before.2. U: No Ni for me wrt to your comment a few pages back about NeTe. Ni is a whole different beast I have tasted on occasion, but I live in a sea of Ne. Noigmn-a physicist-also mentions feeling like I do-Like you are flying over a landscape with eyes half closed, "feeling" the problem with your hands/chest looking for "lumps" that pop out. I am a human lump detector, albiet with about a 20% failure rate. I dunno..
Ne feels more to me like an exploration of hypotheticals: using Ti or Fi as the anchor, one builds an understanding (intellectual or emotional/spiritual) of what is beyond oneself based on what one already understands within oneself. Ni, in contrast, works with Te or Fe, supplying learned patterns for Te/Fe to match against the external world. When the match is made, Te/Fe use Ni to fill in the blanks (past/present/future), based on what is immediately apparent.
Ne- yes, possibilities. Your Ne is probably working with your Fi, not your Te.Ne-possibilities?
Fi-complex pattern matching?
Te-a desire to structure what the top two feed me?
Fi - one's emotional/spiritual self-understanding. I would say Ni is "complex pattern matching". Note that your self-understanding, if evolved, can potentially work with Ne to provide predictive power, of a sort.
Te - an objective interface with the outer world, by which one evaluates one's very subjective inner world (Ni, Fi, Ti, Si)
The ESTJs, if Keirsey is mostly correct, might be aware of the social structure, but in an abstract, objective way. I suspect that for all of the types you mention, none of it "feels like fighting" nor "feels like dominating". It feels like "doing what must be done, because no one else sees that it needs doing."although I wonder-do they realize how dominating they are actually being? ... INTJs just dominate.)
INTJs just dominate? Yes, if one is rather mature. I think INTJs just do what they do to accomplish the goals they see. Some of those goals are based on actual desires (by which I mean Fi-style desires, whether to accomplish something that "makes me happy", or in a slightly larger Fi sense, wanting to "support my family.") Most of the goals are not based on desires, but are actually intermediary logistical goals. E.g., an INTJ might have a general desire to "succeed," and yet follow oddly disparate paths on that journey, such as becoming a champion body builder, a real estate mogul, a state governor [cf. Ahnold.].
I think there is a core INTJ drive to simply become really good at whatever it is we do, because that is the only way we gain the confidence to move on to something more.
I think you're onto something here. Trust is the big part. Speaking again from my INTJ perspective, I want people to trust that what I say is true, to trust that I am reliable. That sounds kind of ISTJ, but it has a practical reason: if people trust my judgment, then on those occasions I need something that seems odd or impractical done, that trust gets it past others' objections. I don't have the skill to trade favors in that Ti/Fe way you describe, and navigate that Fe network, but if I spend a long time gaining people's trust, no matter their MBTI type, that is "social capital" that I understand. I've many FJs and TPs in my life, both personal and work. They trust me, if based on their standards and not mine.To build these layers requires some overt dominance and aggression, challenges between the Te users, but once stable the really cool thing seems to happen.
The whole unit starts to function in concert. If the leader is highly dominant and MOST IMPORTANTLY-TRUSTED, the other Te users stop challenging each other, shelf the ego (mostly) and work together. Trust=Fi affirmation/validation/loyalty. They trust the leader's vision. Without that trust, the other Te users-especially the ISTJs-will balk and obstruct the mission via procedural barriers. It's how they fight.
How does the xxTJ dominate? By demonstrating to the other Te types that one's judgment is trustworthy. If I keep on proffering unrealistic scenarios that never come to pass, my judgment is deemed untrustworthy. An INTP in this environment is at a severe disadvantage, because the INTP will continually muse aloud about possibilities (TiNe), and those possibilities rarely seem to pertain to what the xxTJs see in play. So I remain silent unless I have something worthwhile to contribute. I spend my silent time listening and figuring out worthwhile things to do/say/plan.
Good observations, here. There is indeed love and caring, but it's shown by doing "what is necessary" to make things work for everyone, not by overtly huggy ego-coddling.There is a strong sense of loyalty to the group and the dominating leader, purpose, integrity, honesty, trust, taking each other at face value, open direct communication, doing what is best for the tribe, and self sacrifice as needed. The group relies upon the dominating leader to be able to predict and prevent crisis before it happens-aka strategic management. The dominating leaders seem to feel a sense of responsibility and intense need to protect the group. They dont say "love" or "caring" but I think this need is grounded in tert and inferior Fi but carried out via Te.
Perhaps that "self-sacrifice" notion is that "martyrdom" OMT was alluding to, earlier? I should note that it's not "self-sacrifice" in the extreme sense, but rather giving up that which makes one happy right now, in order to gain something of greater value.
Handling the emotional/artistic/creative side of the equation, which isn't always obvious in a work-based social hierarchy. I would say that the IXFPs (and you XXFPs in general) are very much why we XXTJs are motivated to do what we do, and why we're willing to give up what we give up.Where are the IXFPs? I dunno.
Yeah, this is something I'd like to understand better. And moreover, I'd like to understand how the Fi/Te and Ti/Fe sets work out their differences.Fe has whole different mechanisms-
The ENTPs often talk about teamwork and competitiveness, but it ongoing, never ending competition via Ti. Everyone needs to be at the same level?? The Fe doms/auxs seem to establish social reciprocality networks. These are not honest, open communication networks about how you really feel-they seem to be safety nets, layers of connections, unspoken requests for assistance/recognition of those requests, an emotional display equals a demand for a deliverable perhaps??? I dunno, I can only see it from the outside.