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    People and the state now of the network of relationships between them are the music, FJs are the musicians. --Carl Sagan.

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    In other words, think of a relationship as a chemical reaction, you have Person A, and Person B. Suppose the reaction between Person A and Person B needs a little bit more activation energy. The FJ serves as the catalyst for Person A and Person B and is able to get the relationship to function.

    It would look something like this:


    Person A + Person B ----------> Person A==Person B
    (FJ should be over the Yield Arrow)

    I hope this makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    People and the state now of the network of relationships between them are the music, FJs are the musicians. --Carl Sagan.

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    Music is a flow, a series of notes that invoke certain things. Music is essentially strategy with more feel than logic. You have a goal in mind, to make a friend, or emotionally bruise an enemy, and use what strategies you know (from your perceiving function) to reach it. Music is the same, you want someone to feel a certain thing and you use what strategies you know to reach that end.

    Basically Te, but with an F instead of T. Fe users are just much more in tune with feelings of people and their reactions rather than the Te's use of hard data.
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    The metaphor of music also invokes the idea of harmony, and being the musician suggests something ongoing, a creative act, a reaching for.

    The idea of playing the music, however, doesn't quite fit. Sounds manipulative. The counter balance is the idea that the people and the networks between them are the music. Not made to be the music. They already are it.

    With those ideas there's a lot of movement and interaction and shape suggested.


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    As far as I can tell, Fe is more concerned with peoples outer behaviours than what is going on inside there heads. Strong Fe types can be very good at getting prople to do as they want, even if they are are unaware or unconcerned by how much other people resent them.

    For exmple this sight here INFJ - Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Judging lists male INFJs as being one of the most oblivious to there partners feelings. probablytoo busy trying to put there vision together to see that not everyone esle is happy with it

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    Sagan was actually talking about type? Where was that quote taken from?
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    Ah... well, no. Carl didn't say that. He could have. Lets just say that he has said it now. And I wondered if the metaphor were descriptive.


    The trying thing about extraverted feeling is that, being partnered with introverted thinking, there isn't much said directly about what extraverted feeling is. You're all thinking away to yourselves, following truth trails, and letting slip a piece here and a piece there, and dammit, if the actual process of letting information slip isn't governed probably by Fe itself! It's a conundrum: one either joins the party or one tries to say what the party is and the party dissolves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousFeeling View Post
    In other words, think of a relationship as a chemical reaction, you have Person A, and Person B. Suppose the reaction between Person A and Person B needs a little bit more activation energy. The FJ serves as the catalyst for Person A and Person B and is able to get the relationship to function.

    It would look something like this:


    Person A + Person B ----------> Person A==Person B
    (FJ should be over the Yield Arrow)

    I hope this makes sense.
    It does. That sounds about right to me. Less about logic and more about function in regards to relationship.

    Ahhhh....but what happens when ENFJ is person A as well as above the arrow?
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    At a time some while ago I did actually see Fe as vibrations in the air coming from persons that I walked by and not consciously (i.e. consciously not) looked at, as if it was an automatic recognition sense ('by means of the other').

    At one other time in the store I felt like I could discern one encompassing field of sympathy coils permeating the space and everyone.

    Both were single occasions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    As far as I can tell, Fe is more concerned with peoples outer behaviours than what is going on inside there heads. Strong Fe types can be very good at getting prople to do as they want, even if they are are unaware or unconcerned by how much other people resent them.

    For exmple this sight here INFJ - Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Judging lists male INFJs as being one of the most oblivious to there partners feelings. probablytoo busy trying to put there vision together to see that not everyone esle is happy with it
    Why do other people resent them? (she asked, bravely)

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