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    No one is forcing you nor others to read or post in this thread. A more productive way to get this thread to end would be to ignore it, not complain. I hope the thread continues infinitely as long as it is productive and helpful to anyone regarding the topic.

    I hadn't experienced a door slam before. My situation included an infj that unexpectedly, shockingly disappeared like a movie into thin air without any warning or hint, after years of a very close daily relationship, and, right before a big positive goal was achieved in our lives.

    No conversation, no change in my behavior. I was more than curious as to why. I was also more than interested in settling significant loose ends first. Walk away fine. But first you have to address responsibilities.

    My situation is an example of what I consider a door slam. There is nothing acceptable about it.

    It isn't the same as no loose ends, or being badly mistreated, or months or years of warning, and no loose ends.

    My infj could have disappeared but at same time made sure to tie up loose ends to be responsible at the same time. It is as if she thought everything is on her time, her rules. That just isn't the case. No matter your type, everyone has to follow some basic laws of society.

    That isn't the same as not calling for that 2nd date and disappearing, which I still think is gutless by the way but more easily understandable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalanceFind View Post
    No one is forcing you nor others to read or post in this thread. A more productive way to get this thread to end would be to ignore it, not complain.
    i.e., to doorslam it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BalanceFind View Post
    It still comes down to reading minds. No one can read your mind all or most of the time. The expectation that somehow others are supposed to do this is grandiose egocentric behavior. If the other person is truly special or truly a soul mate they will just be able to read my mind. No. No. And, no.

    If you want to understand something more or better, if you want to be heard, you have to take action. you have to initiate action or conversation. Speak up. And, how you do so matters. If a potential infj door slammer said to me that she needed to talk with me, not to me, I would do so every time. I may not agree with what you say and you may not agree with what i say, but the information will be much more clear and certain for both sides. That helps both people.

    What is it that you want that you are not getting? If these things are not clearly, rationally expressed in back and forth discussion, the outcome will never be good. It can be good at least part of the time if you speak up.
    But the thing is I don't have a problem speaking up, so who are you talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by BalanceFind View Post
    No one is forcing you nor others to read or post in this thread. A more productive way to get this thread to end would be to ignore it, not complain. I hope the thread continues infinitely as long as it is productive and helpful to anyone regarding the topic.
    I think it goes on and on cause it's offensive and crazy. It's out of control mad unsettling trip to weirdsville. It's like a car crash: You don't want to look but feel compelled to do it anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by BalanceFind View Post
    I hadn't experienced a door slam before. My situation included an infj that unexpectedly, shockingly disappeared like a movie into thin air without any warning or hint, after years of a very close daily relationship, and, right before a big positive goal was achieved in our lives.

    No conversation, no change in my behavior. I was more than curious as to why. I was also more than interested in settling significant loose ends first. Walk away fine. But first you have to address responsibilities.

    My situation is an example of what I consider a door slam. There is nothing acceptable about it.

    It isn't the same as no loose ends, or being badly mistreated, or months or years of warning, and no loose ends.

    My infj could have disappeared but at same time made sure to tie up loose ends to be responsible at the same time. It is as if she thought everything is on her time, her rules. That just isn't the case. No matter your type, everyone has to follow some basic laws of society.

    That isn't the same as not calling for that 2nd date and disappearing, which I still think is gutless by the way but more easily understandable.
    See the thing is this is what happened to you by some person who happened to be an INFJ but I'd seriously take the hint that it's not a behavior that you automatically do if you are INFJ. you are in effect attributing a personality trait of a specific person to all INFJs. It's just so inaccurate. The persona you were with had personal issues that made them act in some unacceptable way. Period. THAT PARTICULAR PERSON...not every single INFJ. Sounds to me this is more of a self-esteem issue than a MBTI type related issue, as I already proved by making a point that people of other types behave this way too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverie View Post
    But the thing is I don't have a problem speaking up, so who are you talking about?


    I think it goes on and on cause it's offensive and crazy. It's out of control mad unsettling trip to weirdsville. It's like a car crash: You don't want to look but feel compelled to do it anyway.


    See the thing is this is what happened to you by some person who happened to be an INFJ but I'd seriously take the hint that it's not a behavior that you automatically do if you are INFJ. you are in effect attributing a personality trait of a specific person to all INFJs. It's just so inaccurate. The persona you were with had personal issues that made them act in some unacceptable way. Period. THAT PARTICULAR PERSON...not every single INFJ. Sounds to me this is more of a self-esteem issue than a MBTI type related issue, as I already proved by making a point that people of other types behave this way too.
    You haven't really read my posts very well. I've clearly distinguished between my situation and other situations. I don't agree with you in regard to your opinion that my situation is not an infj issue. It is an infj issue. Door slamming is an infj issue. It isn't only an infj issue, but it's an infj issue. Not all infj's engage in it or in the same way, but yes it exists as an issue for infj types. Enjoy the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalanceFind View Post

    Maybe that person doesn't trust you either, especially after a door slam. Why not tell the person i don't trust you, and why. Have a dialogue for clarity.
    To that I would say a) at that point I don't care if they don't trust me, and b) I don't have the emotional energy - or the emotional room in my life - to have those dialogues with people who my life will be better off without. I truly believe that some people are a waste of space in my life and I might as well not let them waste any more.

    That's just my experiences though. I doubt they resemble your experiences to any great extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    To that I would say a) at that point I don't care if they don't trust me, and b) I don't have the emotional energy - or the emotional room in my life - to have those dialogues with people who my life will be better off without. I truly believe that some people are a waste of space in my life and I might as well not let them waste any more.

    That's just my experiences though. I doubt they resemble your experiences to any great extent.
    It's all about how you leave. Are you clear to the other person? Are you clear in your own mind or just upset and hurt and confused. Is it a rash decision or well discussed on both sides? Are there any loose ends? If so are you going to meet with the other person to clear those up before leaving?

    I have no problem with leaving. It's all how one does it. Basic communication in a calm manner? Or angry, frustration? Do you have it together? Your feelings?

    If you have the emotional energy to door slam, then you have it to meet with the person in person to tell the person and clear up any loose ends too. I am talking about one time in person one day one conversation back and forth, that's it. If there are any major loose ends then both parties communicate daily as needed until they are cleared up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalanceFind View Post
    You haven't really read my posts very well. I've clearly distinguished between my situation and other situations. I don't agree with you in regard to your opinion that my situation is not an infj issue. It is an infj issue. Door slamming is an infj issue. It isn't only an infj issue, but it's an infj issue. Not all infj's engage in it or in the same way, but yes it exists as an issue for infj types. Enjoy the thread.
    So by your own admission it's not true in all situations. Many types do "it". But for some reason you claim it's still specifically an INFJ issue, even if most INFJs don't do it. That makes absolutely no sense.
    and INFJs avoid discussing matters even though there's 88 pages of open discussion and debate on something that's basically just rude generalization and that most INFJs don't think they actually even do. Now you couple of people claiming otherwise are still convinced that what you think is true is gospel, despite the fact INFJs for most part don't say they do it, despite the fact other types do it too and despite 88 pages of open debate you still say INFJs as a whole shy away from debate...What was that thing about being open to others' points of view...



    Its' really self-esteem issue, not type related. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverie View Post
    So by your own admission it's not true in all situations. Many types do "it". But for some reason you claim it's still specifically an INFJ issue, even if most INFJs don't do it. That makes absolutely no sense.
    and INFJs avoid discussing matters even though there's 88 pages of open discussion and debate on something that's basically just rude generalization and that most INFJs don't think they actually even do. Now you couple of people claiming otherwise are still convinced that what you think is true is gospel, despite the fact INFJs for most part don't say they do it, despite the fact other types do it too and despite 88 pages of open debate you still say INFJs as a whole shy away from debate...What was that thing about being open to others' points of view...



    Its' really self-esteem issue, not type related. Sorry.
    I never said most infj's don't do it. You said that. I don't know the percentages. I do know that I've experienced it and I've seen it frequently in my research, enough where it exists in the eyes and minds of many. I'm not here to debate with anyone, though I am capable of doing so just fine. I am not here to debate whether or not door slamming exists by infj's. The title of the thread afterall is "When," not if, it exists.

    I came here to help myself, and, in return to offer mine up to others, as well as exchange discussion back and forth related to the discussion.

    You don't need to be sorry. Good luck to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalanceFind View Post
    I never said most infj's don't do it. You said that. I don't know the percentages. I do know that I've experienced it and I've seen it frequently in my research, enough where it exists in the eyes and minds of many. I'm not here to debate with anyone, though I am capable of doing so just fine. I am not here to debate whether or not door slamming exists by infj's. The title of the thread afterall is "When," not if, it exists.

    You don't need to be sorry. Good luck to you.
    Well the title of the thread is hardly proof of anything. What research are you referring to? What actual evidence do you have to support your claims, other than some random people saying their EXs don't return their calls and that they happen to be INFJs? The people who I've either had experiences with or have witnessed doing something that could be categorized as a "doorslam" have been several types: ISFJ, ENTJ, ESTJ, ESTP, ENTP, ENFJ...it just goes on and on. I bet you I could think of examples for every type I know. You know... I had an experience where an ESTP friend pulled a really nasty stunt on me but it's not that all ESTPs pull nasty stunts on people. Some do, as do people from all types who are inclined to pull nasty stunts on people. That's all. It's just really prejudiced to go claiming that it's type related. I don't understand how people here can't see that simple fact.


    EDIT: Just to be on the safe side: I'm saying I don't "doorslam" people because I don't. I've ended intimate relationships in my adult life, I've decided not to become friends with certain people and if someone's behaved totally unacceptably towards me I've severed contact with them, but those are things any normal person would do. It's not rocket science. There is nothing characteristically different from my behavior to others' in those situations. I've always behaved like a normal human being. This whole doorslam thing is complete BS.
    As my ENFP husband says "I know my flaws and I know my positive sides and I don't care if people bitch about me because I KNOW the good outweigh the bad." From personal experience some of the nicest, most considerate people, people who tend to be thought of as kind if you ask anyone that I've met in my work have turned out to be INFJs. I just find it somewhat strange that there are so many negative posts about INFJs on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverie View Post
    Well the title of the thread is hardly proof of anything. What research are you referring to? What actual evidence do you have to support your claims, other than some random people saying their EXs don't return their calls and that they happen to be INFJs? The people who I've either had experiences with or have witnessed doing something that could be categorized as a "doorslam" have been several types: ISFJ, ENTJ, ESTJ, ESTP, ENTP, ENFJ...it just goes on and on. I bet you I could think of examples for every type I know. You know... I had an experience where an ESTP friend pulled a really nasty stunt on me but it's not that all ESTPs pull nasty stunts on people. Some do, as do people from all types who are inclined to pull nasty stunts on people. That's all. It's just really prejudiced to go claiming that it's type related. I don't understand how people here can't see that simple fact.
    I am not sure what else I can add to our exchange within this thread. You seem determined to debate or prove that door slamming does not exist any more or differently with infj's than anyone else. I have a lot of posts here and you are more than welcome to go back and read them in this thread.

    I am not interested in debating or proving whether or not infj's door slam. I believe they do. You don't and/or don't think so in any way different from other types. I don't agree. We can agree to disagree. If you read my posts, I haven't spoken in absolutes. I have been open minded and willing to listen and learn and change opinion with new information. i'm not close minded. I also acknowledged and agreed with the thoughts that not all infj's door slam and some do it differently, and that other types can do it. But I believe that it is a very relevant topic for infj's. I don't believe you are open minded on this topic. I believe your approach is to believe in an absolute and to outwardly challenge others to prove you wrong. It's difficult to have mutually beneficial exchanges with that approach in my opinion. You, I believe are coming from a defensive mindset that infj's are being attacked and defend infj's everywhere. I understand that. But I'm not here to attack you or infj's. I have many flaws as does my type too.

    It isn't a game or contest or one up debate for me. It's real life, real specifics. I believe my posts are fair, open minded, with good intentions. That's more than good enough for me. I, nor no one else is telling you what to believe or not to believe. It is not important to me that everyone agrees with me. Sometimes that just isn't going to happen. But instead of door slamming you, I'm answering every one of your posts directed to me. I don't think we are going to agree, and that's fine too.

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