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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    Just a thought ...

    We might want to differentiate the Enneagram motivations from the cognitive functions' perceptions of things.

    If you want to know WHY someone is reacting in a particular way (good or bad), Enneagram helps to explain where that person is coming from and what they're specifically reacting to. Cognitive functions really only determine how well they can explain it to others. Ni tends to be a pain in the butt to explain, so few INFJs will spend the time to explain their reactions, especially when the reaction is to avoid the person in question, hence "doorslam".
    Sounds interesting.

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    I just had an interesting thought. Working it out, out-loud.

    We know INJ's are perceivers and INP's are judgers, Pi dom and Ji dom respectively. Yet neither of us speak in our native tongue on the forum and perhaps, especially so in writing.

    INP's "should" be speaking in analytical logic or value-based judgements, but don't speak judgement-speak because then knowing that "right Ji" is Ji that has adequate (no, maybe flawless) support for each out-loud judgement. It would have to include every little judging step, every little refinement to that point in time. And in the case of Fi, it would include inner space data on everyone involved, which is at best impolite to scrutinize in public. So, INP's speak in Pe, to inform perspectives and try to keep as much conclusion out of their posts as possible and give as much data so people make up their own judgements.

    INJ's "should" (but don't) talk in perception-speak because first of all, unlike Si, it is imperceptibly cumulative and future-oriented and secondly, the time it would take to write out all those streams of multiple sense impressions ... unimaginable! So, INJs talk in Je, to refine judgements, essentially trying them on to gain a group consensus of judgement. It's kind of assumed, that like INP's, that one has at least a reasonable command of their primary faculty in order to assess whether or not there's enough info to come to conclusion or amend conclusion. Both speak from the aux. So for both, there are reams of unspoken data.

    I wonder, if as an experiment, if INP's spoke in a stream of Ji refinements ... would that inform Pi? Or send it in too many places, plant too many bad seeds? And Pi will want perceptive proof, and no-can-do on the Fi stuff. Ti stuff ok to say out loud, Fi stuff too personal and even unprovable, easily denied or even plain not sensed. When asking Pi doms before to share only Pi data, told that's impossible. So, if Fe aux shares Je data, but welcomes it to be challenged by Ji, well, no that doesn't usually go smoothly either. It affronts Pi.


    Maybe, rather than look here, the key is in the tertiary function opposition. Ji tert vs Pi tert. Tertiary functions, comfort functions, throw the baby out with the bathwater functions. Under stress, the tertiary can be the tripping point. Pi tert says, "Leave me alone - I only want the comfort of the space I know, give me peace." Ji tertiary says, "This isn't right and I will rip this to SHREDS to make the world right again."

    Ponders implications ...



    One thing I notice about myself is the tendency to inform then conclude. For example, I was just talking to a friend about getting together this week. What I initally said was, "I seem to have picked up a bug today and am feeling under the weather. Can we shoot for Thurs perhaps?" In this order, I am informing then offering an option. But, what I often do when writing is to switch those sentences around, literally cut and paste their order: "Can we shoot for Thurs perhaps? I seem to have picked up a bug today and am feeling under the weather." There's something in this that I feel has value, not sure what to make of it yet.

    eta: or not worry about figuring it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    About the thread:

    The thread's suddenly become much more crowded...At the risk of sounding paranoid, why did you (relatively at this specific moment) newcomers opted to participate all of a sudden at this exact (pivotal?) moment? This doesn't mean you shouldn't have...just curious why now? And were you silently observing the discussion all along or were you alerted to something somehow?

    If it felt to you like we were ganging up on @PeaceBaby and you felt for whatever reason a need to rush to her rescue and support, please really do contemplate whether you may inadvertantly be enabling her and preventing her from confronting her hurt by acting as proxies...
    I debated about responding, or not, so here goes:

    This is a public forum to discuss differences and/or similarities, to gain some insight about myself and others, and hopefully become a better person (this is my intent by participating). I am guessing that many people may have similar motives for visiting this forum. I don't feel the need to explain my presence or lack of presence in the conversation earlier, as we all participate in different ways, and I was a bit taken aback by that request when I read it. Suffice it to say, I read lots of different resources to aid in my goal of self-discovery.

    When I see someone, whether in real life, or in a forum, being belittled or treated cruelly it is just in my nature to respond. I felt a sense of earnestness and pain in PeaceBaby's words that effected me deeply and I had to respond. I absolutely would have done the same if I had witnessed such a conversation in person because it feels wrong to me.

    We sit behind our computers with our sense of anonymity but our words have a tremendous and real effect on other people reading them, and have a real potential to hurt. There, did that sound judgy enough?

    Blame it on my 9w8!! And I shan't detract any further from the topic of the thread, though it has been very illuminating for me in a multitude of ways....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    For me, the key word here is "enjoy." The emotional energy in us to be enjoyed is a food source (metaphorically speaking). Somehow INFJs show up as a great possible source of this food (others may as well, but since the discussion is about PB's attraction to INFJs). That's the source of the attraction to us despite all this claimed pain and difficulty. That's what is sought.
    That was my reading of it also.

    And behind that hunger is a void that creates the hunger in the first place. That's likely the "keep your eye on the birdie" place that we're not supposed to see.

    Note: The above is what I see and feel at that visceral gut level. It is not a definitive statement of truth, just what I perceive at this time. I strongly encourage others to assess this for yourself based on how it feels/looks to you. For INFJs, if gut feeling serves you as useful information, I'd suggest checking that gut feeling level carefully and see what perception it yields.
    This, I don't get. What do you mean? Can you expand on this?

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    I love what you've said here so much. I love the insights and the weight of empathy, experience, clarity and wisdom behind it all. Thanks for this.

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    OK. I can accept that.

    It just pains me that people I like individually, don't get along with and see the value in each other (@fidelia included). I suppose I'm probably naive to presume that because I can appreciate your view, and I can appreciate her view, you could appreciate each other's and that would solve things. That's perhaps why I seem resistant to your reading of things. I don't want to admit it's just hopeless and that you're all incompatible people. I just want to keep fighting for a better solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    Again.

    To be honest, the best way to resolve conflicts between INFP and me seems to be "Screw this. Let's cuddle." We apologize for hurting each other, and in the future try not to tread where we're not supposed to even when we don't understand why the 'Do not enter' sign is there. No blame. No fingers pointed.
    Strange. This was sort of my reaction earlier on, when discussing the article I posted (as an example of doorslaming). I read what 2 INFJs thought processes on it was and was surprised it wasn't really that different to my own view. Yet, I still felt a compulsion to nitpick the Judgement process (a INFP tendency, I think), because my immediate reaction was that those things matter. I became aware of that feeling, rethought it, realised it didn't actually matter in the scheme of things and resisted it. I felt like that was an important thing for me to learn. But as you imply, it's not natural - you're gonna have to stop and tell yourself, "that way madness lies" and consciously let it go. Consciousness is the key, because knee-jerk reactions are a recipe for disaster between INFPs and INFJs.

    I think there's a certain pattern of speech (and thought) is necessary to aid this, though. If I hadn't asked questions in the way I did and listened in the way I did, the realisation would not have occurred. I think maybe it was @the state i am in that mentioned the word "disarm" first, and I think it's relevant. In tense situations we have to figure out how to disarm the other - not for the goal of gaining the upper hand, but to push the reset button on their thinking (and emotions) so they can hear what you have to say with empathy and a clarity of mind. Even in some major arguments where I'm beyond furious, people have said things that hit me like a ton of bricks, totally cuts through the anger, and stopped me in my tracks. Often it's a display of vulnerability or humility that totally disarms my anger and perhaps puts things in perspective. I think we need to find that stuff to stop going around in circles in arguments that will never go anywhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Especially about the differences being such useful areas of growth for each other. I very much believe in that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Were various INFJs stating their intentions and offering alternatives before the conversation began to help it develop and meet its best potential? This is interesting. I did see people ask for definitions of door-slamming, which I could interpret as setting up the rest of the discussion, but it seemed like, even if the term were eventually defined in a way several INFJs agreed with, another sticking point would immediately be found.


    This is sooo what I was trying to get at before about the appearance of Ti using stall tactics. Thank you.

    Not that I want to restart that argument.

    What are signs that an INFJ is offering alternatives or starting negotiations? At times, it looked like some INFJs were restricting the conversation to their terms and refusing to move forward from there. It's good to see I may have misunderstood. I'd like to be able to identify what's negotiable and non-negotiable because it's not so obvious to me. Also, what happens to INFJs when they join a conversation like this one without being able to reference everyone's feelings and agendas? I'm curious what the downside is and how it looks internally.
    I just want to make my view clear here, I'm totally OK with INFJs needing some conversation on their terms. I think in a thread like this in particular, it should be expected to a larger degree. But I agree there has to be some negotiation on this front.

    Quote Originally Posted by March View Post
    • Me: "I'm having a bad feeling about this situation." Others: "Well, if you're just going to complain and not offer up solutions you might as well not say anything" OR *come up with a story that doesn't fit my experience at all, and solve THAT story instead of mine*.
    • Other: "I'm having a bad feeling about this." Me: "What can I do to help?" Other: "You know very well what to do!" Me: *does a thing* Other: "Ack, not that!"
    So true - I've been on both sides of those equations.

    Southern Kross, from a while back you were talking about how INFJs don't acknowledge the elephant in the room AND don't ask questions about it either. Personally, I don't even see there's an elephant in the room. (I just see people pinging off interpretations of others' statements, some more charitable and solution-focused than others, and I see that people are getting hurt and don't know how to stop hurting people in return - all human processes, not pachyderm processes). So I'm going to ask questions about it: Can you describe this elephant, not just the 'one should not bring elephants into rooms' one but the real live one in this thread?
    See even we even disagree on how 'elephanty' the elephant is.

    While I feel like that happens a lot with INFJs (not a criticism, just a observation) in a variety of different ways in general, in this case I was mainly referring to the INFJs' emotional reaction to what PB was saying (eg. hurt, frustration, confusion, annoyance etc). I was trying to illustrate that you guys just work around problems, trying to fix them obliquely, even your own emotions, when sometimes all you have to say is "I feel X" or "I don't understand". Fi is very sensitive to elephants, so to speak, and can start reacting to the disconnect (between what you say/do vs what is going on in your inner world) rather than the actual content. This leads to a external response that might seem like a total emotional non-sequitur to you. Arguments ensue...

    Southern Kross, you also asked for examples of backtracking. I have one: My husband and I currently live in a city, and we're slowly starting to consider moving. He said "I'm done with this city, let's move somewhere else." That gave me a bit of uneasiness, but since I couldn't place it I said "Not exactly ecstatic about this, but I think it's a good idea to start looking outside of the city." Later I backtracked, because I figured out that the source of the unease was that I didn't want to be too far away from my friends - husband commutes by car so I'm stuck with public transport/bicycle, and I still want to be able to go over to friends for dinner after a working day without being home really late or only getting to see them for an hour before having to head home. So I backtracked to "I'm still on board with your wish to live outside of this city, but I don't want to live too far away from my friends."

    (Of course that led us into an argument because he figured that I was going to prevent him from LOOKING at houses because of some vague random feelingness, whereas I was just trying to say that this would be one of my criteria for CHOOSING, and that I'd be happy to operationalize 'not too far away' into 'need to be able to get into city in 20 minutes by public transport, and need to be max 10 minutes away from public transport starting place.' Yay, personality types... Edited to add: if he's ever unsure about anything, he just vetoes it altogether until he convinces himself. He's ISTJ. To me, my way at least gets us moving, to him, his way at least doesn't cause any movement in the wrong direction.)
    Hmm. I don't know if this is the same thing. This seems like just changing your mind, which is perhaps different?

    But maybe it's just that the internal process is not what I expected, and seems incongruent with what I see externally. Did the about-face really piss off or confuse your husband when you did it? I mean, in the way you explained it to him, did he grasp your thought-process and understand why you would change your mind, or did he react negatively immediately?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    For me, the key word here is "enjoy." The emotional energy in us to be enjoyed is a food source (metaphorically speaking). Somehow INFJs show up as a great possible source of this food (others may as well, but since the discussion is about PB's attraction to INFJs). That's the source of the attraction to us despite all this claimed pain and difficulty. That's what is sought.
    Since this sentence seems to be raising some additional questions, I will respond to this directly.

    This is a common phrase for me to use. I spent many years working in customer service related positions. "I hope you enjoy that!", "Enjoy your day" or "It would be my pleasure to help you" and a bunch of other "enjoy" variations are wired now as a way I speak to people.

    It's me being polite. It's not about me wanting to be an emo-succubus. Why would I need yours when I have more than enough of my own emotions, thanks.

    I will try to use more precise words to convey my meaning though. Thanks for the reminder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    I just want to make my view clear here, I'm totally OK with INFJs needing some conversation on their terms. I think in a thread like this in particular, it should be expected to a larger degree. But I agree there has to be some negotiation on this front.
    Oh, I agree. It's okay for INFJs to want things from an interaction or express dissatisfaction with how an interaction is unfolding. There are times when I feel that INFJs' requests are being ignored. (I ignored some requests, like the request for Si information, because I lack the means or inclination to fulfill them.)

    The definitions, intentions, and solutions are important to a conversation—I'm just terrible at them. I don't think it's wrong or demanding to ask for those things, and I hope I didn't lead anyone else to think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    For me, the key word here is "enjoy." The emotional energy in us to be enjoyed is a food source (metaphorically speaking). Somehow INFJs show up as a great possible source of this food (others may as well, but since the discussion is about PB's attraction to INFJs). That's the source of the attraction to us despite all this claimed pain and difficulty. That's what is sought.
    That was my reading of it also.
    I didn't see that coming! Could you please humor me in my desire for as much redundant clarity here as possible?

    So to be clear: @Southern Kross, am I understanding correctly that you actually see that PeaceBaby interacts with INFJs as if our emotional energy is a metaphorical food source for her? And you further see that this setup is the source of her attraction to INFJs despite all the claimed pain and difficulty she claims she experiences in interaction with us?

    I wonder if I misunderstand, so want to be as clear as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    And behind that hunger is a void that creates the hunger in the first place. That's likely the "keep your eye on the birdie" place that we're not supposed to see.

    Note: The above is what I see and feel at that visceral gut level. It is not a definitive statement of truth, just what I perceive at this time. I strongly encourage others to assess this for yourself based on how it feels/looks to you. For INFJs, if gut feeling serves you as useful information, I'd suggest checking that gut feeling level carefully and see what perception it yields.
    This, I don't get. What do you mean? Can you expand on this?
    Which part don't you get? The hunger and void behind the hunger part, some or all of the following note, both? If you could focus me better with specific parts and if possible specific questions, I'd think I'd be better able answer your question.

    OK. I can accept that.
    Thank you for accepting it. And just to be clear, my boundary setting with you about conversation #1 and #2 isn't specific to or even primarily sourced in the PeaceBaby part of our discussion. It's more general, based on my emerging understanding of where you and I are each coming overall, when in comes to Ni-Se perception, at least in INFJs. (If I've misunderstood where you're coming from more generally we could talk about it to get me clear, but it was based on various pieces of information even beyond our dialogue).

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    It just pains me that people I like individually, don't get along with and see the value in each other (@Fidelia included). I suppose I'm probably naive to presume that because I can appreciate your view, and I can appreciate her view, you could appreciate each other's and that would solve things. That's perhaps why I seem resistant to your reading of things. I don't want to admit it's just hopeless and that you're all incompatible people. I just want to keep fighting for a better solution.
    This is part of why I'm confused about the first bit that I quoted in this reply. I don't understand why, if you see that PeaceBaby seeks to feed on INFJs' emotional energy, you would want us to appreciate her view and get along with her. This is why I feel like maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean when you say "That was my reading of it also" in reply to that part of my description.

    Is feeding on other people's emotional energy (like PeaceBaby seeks to do) an okay thing for someone to do, in your view? And I don't even know if that's the right question. I ask because for me such a configuration is - to be blunt - functionally parasitic. And while I can understand that parasitically feeding entities need to survive just as much as anyone, I myself personally don't want to try get along with one whose desired food source is me or people like me. So .... what am I missing or misunderstanding here re: your perspective on this particular topic? (These are not rhetorical questions).

    One other thing that's been hovering in the back of my mind. Southern Kross, I was struck by a particular strong difference between your response to PB's approach and my INFP partner's response when I initially described some of PB's comments to her. Specifically: It seems that you two had almost opposite reactions as related to identifying with PeaceBaby.

    1. My INFP partner did not identify with PB at all. And I mean, at all. The lack of identification was so strong that my partner's immediate response to my description was: "She's not INFP. She doesn't use words like an INFP. She doesn't feel to me like an INFP." (PB was in her "speaking in Ti-ish" mode at that point). The notable thing for me in bringing this up is not the question of "Is PB INFP or not" - it's my INFP partner's clear lack of identification with PB. It was from that space that my partner came to the analysis she came to in this comment here.

    2. I see the above in contrast to a comment from you that was part of the thread in your dialogue with @the state i am in:

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    As it has been said before, INFPs often react to things in "feeling tones", which are some of the most intangible concepts in existence. I suppose what happened was that I picked up a vibe, and then I saw PB reacting in a way that I grasped with familiarity, and I connected the two naturally. When I talked about empathising strongly with her, I mean that I felt that I felt her feelings so keenly as if they were channelled through me. I could feel all the unsaid things behind what she said so clearly - I could hear her inner voice.* Now I'm sure I got some details wrong, but the underlying elements I'm believe were fairly accurate.
    To me this (especially the part I bolded) suggests some deep level of - if "identification" isn't the right word, something in that neighborhood. In any case, it seems opposite to my INFP's "I don't feel her as INFP at all" non-identification response.

    So I'm going to be really blunt here. PB initially hooked me in by "speaking Ti" in a way that piqued my curiosity. With even a bit of observation of that practice, it seemed to me that PB is quite smart and learns how to "speak" various cognitive and feeling-tone languages that will appeal to whoever she is trying to - to use the most polite possible word I can think of here - affect. Like .... there are trigger tones and words and approaches that appeal to various possible audiences. In my case, it was that Ti-like approach, and that approach left room for my partner to not-identify with PB at that point.

    So here's the really really blunt part: I do wonder if in other parts of her communication, PB was somehow able to "speak" in trigger tones (or something like that) that somehow pulled you into that strong identification with her that you describe. Is that possible? I really hope this isn't too much bluntness here. I could be wrong but this really struck me and has been hanging in the back of my head for a little while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eilonwy View Post
    Unfortunately, I think change comes with the price of being uncomfortable. Everyone seems to agree that the norm (INFP/INFJ communication) isn't working in some way. It's at an impasse. Slow, steady, diplomatic change is possible, but like rain wearing down a mountain, it might take so much time that it might not be practical. So, perhaps an earthquake is needed in order to bring some of the hidden strata to light and foster change. Not a very pleasant idea, an earthquake. Most people, whether Fe or Fi, won't want to start one because the consequences can be devastating. So, people tend to not speak up against the status quo, even if they don't agree with it. Hopefully, a lesser degree of shaking up will suffice to move what wants to stay in place. But until enough people are uncomfortable enough with the norm to act, the norm is what we'll be stuck with. Because Fe wants a smooth running system, whether that system is optimal or not. And Fi might not like the system they're stuck in, but they don't tend towards organizing into groups, and they have so little power against the group as individuals, that they end up bending or breaking.
    Fi dom/aux, perhaps, but with Te dom/aux (Fi tert/inf) it is quite a different story. Same with that desire to avoid being uncomfortable. Anyone can understand on some theoretical level that growth is change, and often even comes out of confict, all of which can be quite uncomfortable. Some types have an easier time, however, engaging the process willingly and productively. Not sure if this is more T vs. F, or Je vs. Ji.

    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    Interesting. Never thought about it exactly this way. One additional wrinkle, IMO, is that F is the dom process for one (INFP - Fi) and the aux process for the other (INFJ - Fe). Same with INTP/INTJ and Ti/Te. I mention this because I continue to suspect that the differences in dominant processes is important as well - meaning introverted perceiving versus introverted judging.
    I had the same thought as Uumlau, though he beat me to posting. I have had the same disconnects with my INTP, where I am trying to be helpful in laying out my wants and preferences and inviting him to do the same, so we can come to some mutually satisfactory arrangement, but somehow it often just goes wrong. And the business about not trying to go through the "middle process" together is right on the money. We have learned to agree on our starting specifications, then go our separate ways to develop a solution, which we then come back and share together. Our different processes do indeed often produce quite similar outcomes.



    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I just had an interesting thought. Working it out, out-loud.

    We know INJ's are perceivers and INP's are judgers, Pi dom and Ji dom respectively. Yet neither of us speak in our native tongue on the forum and perhaps, especially so in writing.

    INP's "should" be speaking in analytical logic or value-based judgements . . .

    INJ's "should" (but don't) talk in perception-speak
    Could it be much simpler than that, namely that each of these IN types is speaking from his/her highest extraverted function? It can be hard to convey the content of our internal dominant functions to others. I know as an INTJ, I speak mostly from Te, because it is the best way to make my Ni thoughts intelligible to an outside audience, especially people who don't know me well, and lack the track record (not to mention patience) of handling unfiltered Ni?
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