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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Specifics?

    You mean there isn't a universal definition? One man's love is another man's lunatic yellow smiley ball that can't go along to get along?


    What is love?
    In the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make

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    You're so heavy.
    Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated, meant, "This is extremely unusual."

    Boy meets Grr

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    Because?

    (There is a right answer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    I appreciate the input of all my fellow NFPs of course, but I'm kinda wondering...maybe it's a good idea to make several of these threads? That way you get several perspectives as Fi is pretty individual, without it all getting muddled together? People can post the same question in several threads and see what answers it yields.
    Is this thread about Fi as described by Jung and used by MBTI, or how Fi reflects in you personally? Either one is okay with me, I just wish for some clarification, as I'll stay quiet if it's the latter.

    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    My main problem with functions in general is not really the functions themselves, but when people start attaching things every human can do to them.
    Yeah, this. It's like saying that only INTPs can be Enneagram 5, and all Enneagram 4s must be INFPs. Which isn't true at all. Things like character, maturity, empathy aren't covered by MBTI.

    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    OK, here's my honest observation. Forgive me if it sounds hostile because that is not my intention.
    You're evil; that's all there is to it.

    When reviewing the "Fi is" thread this is the picture that struck me as most accurate about Fi:
    This used to be my desktop picture - no kidding.

    It scared me because this is how out of touch with everyone Fi can be and I hardly see how that's empathetic. And yes, I want Fi users to admit this is something that people often encounter when dealing with Fi! It's not an isolated, unnatural, or rare occurence. My reality does not align with what Fi users are portraying on the forum about how helplessly empathetic they feel.
    Empathy in Fi tends to be on an individual basis. Some people resonate within me, hard, while others barely show up on my radar. When I do empathize with someone, I can feel a bit helpless about it.

    In your picture, imagine what would happen if another yellow ball with a smile came into play. Can you see how we would empathize with that single ball? Can you see how the uniqueness of that connection would make it much more intense and focused? Us vs the world. This is why Fi doesn't like being called non-empathetic.

    Fe has a tendency to notice all the people that Fi doesn't empathize with, and call us disingenuous. Hardly fair. Fi notices that Fe empathizes with everyone, and wonders how you can truly empathize with anyone. Which is pretty presumptuous on Fi's part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    You're so heavy.
    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Because?

    (There is a right answer)

    You're not my brother?
    I have a vagina.


    ENTP . 7w6 sx/sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahNounBlah View Post
    You're not my brother?
    sorry, I was looking for "you never give me your money".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Empathy in Fi tends to be on an individual basis. Some people resonate within me, hard, while others barely show up on my radar. When I do empathize with someone, I can feel a bit helpless about it.
    Wow, I honestly had never really had that specific thought before.

    My issue is that I resonate with everyone.
    Even people I'm indifferent to.
    Or people who have hurt me
    Or people who I don't particularly much like.

    My spirit really is that sort of "humanitarian" mindset, and I feel a bit helplessly trapped by it, just as you mention here.

    But the Fe is not my major sense.
    It comes through T understanding.
    The Fe is the tail on the dog.

    As soon as I get a T angle on someone's viewpoint, enough to see legitimacy in it, I get hit by the empathy thing. I can even WANT to shove it away, but I can't. If the viewpoint makes sense to me within its own boundaries, I start feeling empathy and wanting to connect and accommodate somehow.

    In your picture, imagine what would happen if another yellow ball with a smile came into play. Can you see how we would empathize with that single ball? Can you see how the uniqueness of that connection would make it much more intense and focused? Us vs the world. This is why Fi doesn't like being called non-empathetic.
    What a great visual.
    And the pic still cracks me up -- it's awesome!

    Fe has a tendency to notice all the people that Fi doesn't empathize with, and call us disingenuous. Hardly fair. Fi notices that Fe empathizes with everyone, and wonders how you can truly empathize with anyone.
    I don't expect empathy to be 100%; but communication, art, and media would be entirely worthless and ineffective if people couldn't empathize with people they had not met before.

    Obviously there are a lot of people out there who can create communications of some sort directed at people they don't know in a way that connects and/or shows accurate empathy.

    Thus, 100% empathy is not a lot different than 90% empathy.

    ...But as I write this, I'm reminded of my stringent Ti sense which screams "Dammit, the last 10% DOES change everything!!"
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    The reason why I find this offensive is because in my professional life the people who do this are grown women (50+) and for the most part I would say are what you would call well-adjusted and "nice" people. I'm not going to give the easy out of saying they're immature or haven't learned how to use their Fi. This is not aberrant behavior from NFPs. I'm not saying it's the norm, but it's not unusual or something like Halley's Comet that passes by the earth every 75 years. It is quite typical in the same way that Fe can often be overbearing, coercive, and unthinkingly normative.
    oh, hey I want to be that happy ball!

    I think I am breaking Amar's rules about only one nfp on the thread but I'd suggest what you IS perfectly normal.

    pain, block,
    pain, block,
    pain, block

    so pretty soon you only have to empathasize with those who you choose to connect to. I just called that out on the other thread about my IXTJs. Screw the rest of the world. I cant keep bearing your pain. Id say you are seeing mature Fi users at work.

    AWESOME! Proteanmix you make the most useful external observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    OK, here's my honest observation. Forgive me if it sounds hostile because that is not my intention.

    When reviewing the "Fi is" thread this is the picture that struck me as most accurate about Fi:



    And to be honest, this pic disturbed me at the same time I felt it to be the most accurate. Those emo pics I was like OK, alright.

    It scared me because this is how out of touch with everyone Fi can be and I hardly see how that's empathetic. And yes, I want Fi users to admit this is something that people often encounter when dealing with Fi! It's not an isolated, unnatural, or rare occurence. My reality does not align with what Fi users are portraying on the forum about how helplessly empathetic they feel.

    To be honest I find this picture to be funny.

    My Fi is nothing special but in comparison with my Fe it is multiple times stronger. What means that I am one of people that have life phylosophy quite similar to what that picture is saying.

    But to be even more honest I trully don't see a logical reason why I should feel bad if everyone around me are feeling that way. Basicly this is probably the main reason why people think of me as a sociopath in real life.


    On the other hand I am also the last one that will freak out about things. So basicly I am the last defence of "the collective". Which is simply because I am not really a part of it.
    Of course this is mostly because of my NTness but Fi really helps filling in the gaps and it makes sure that I have some basic principles in life.


    The FP Fi can be problematic since it guides them but that that does not mean that all Fi is liike that. Personally I find FP too be generally (too) empathic. It is just that their empathy is not I will say concrete.


    So when you sum it all it is good that some people are unempathic. Since otherwise empathy would damadge their ability to operate if environment becomes generally depressed. Especially since the best way to remove depression is by solving the problem that caused it in the first place.


    However for that you will need someone with a cool head. What you can't get if the person has too much Fe (or for that matter Fi).
    On the other hand on every one that is detached as much as I am there is a quite a number of fairly empathic/simpathic and friendly people. So I am not sure that this is such a big deal in the end.


    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Ok..welcome, I'm going to try and teach the basics of Fi here.
    I don't really get it at all. Is coddling over someone and making sure he's comfortable Fe while assuming he's capable of making himself comfortable Fi?

    Also I want to express gratitude for this thread. It's refreshing with posts that might actually teach something.
    I'm not clever enough to have a signature.

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