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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    I believe Qre:us summed it up nicely by saying that her emotions are always viewed from a third person perspective, whereas Fi views it from the first person perspective. So even when she's feeling them, she's not really feeling them.

    So even if the first and third person views are seeing the same thing, and essentially agree, the experiences are so different that there's still a pretty big disconnect that must be bridged.
    For me, I feel like a little boat bouncing amongst the waves. The deep water contains my hidden emotional world. But, I can see it only dimly from above.

    I think for more introverted types, they dive down deep regularly and spend less time floating on the sunlit surface. They see the life cycles of the submerged emotional world in better clarity and reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    I hear Fe and "the group/big picture" mentioned often together. But I think every Fe user is different. I personally do best one-on-one and I identify with others on that basis. I don't know if this could be related to Enneagram, but I'm a sx/sp variant... i.e. I have the social instinct last. So social objectives are often not in the forefront of my mind.
    Perhaps, by "big picture" we should clarify as attempting at an objective recognition of the emotional needs of the other? Is this more accurate of Fe rather than Fi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Perhaps, by "big picture" we should clarify as attempting at an objective recognition of the emotional needs of the other? Is this more accurate of Fe rather than Fi?
    I suppose that could work. But I'll allow an Fi dom/aux to respond to see if they can relate to that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    I hear Fe and "the group/big picture" mentioned often together. But I think every Fe user is different. I personally do best one-on-one and I identify with others on that basis. I don't know if this could be related to Enneagram, but I'm a sx/sp variant... i.e. I have the social instinct last. So social objectives are often not in the forefront of my mind.
    Is there a larger goal (such as the happiness of others) that you seek in the one-on-one interactions you have with people?

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    J Fe users and P Fe users are going to be different in their sense of feeling as stable and authoritative, aren't they? Are they?

    Same difference for J/P Fi, the J's are gong to be more into using personal feeling as motive and the P users are going to allow perception the privilege of guiding them. So TJs dismiss, FPs empathise, FJ's guide, and TPs... em, tell you what they think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    For me, I feel like a little boat bouncing amongst the waves. The deep water contains my hidden emotional world. But, I can see it only dimly from above.

    I think for more introverted types, they dive down deep regularly and spend less time floating on the sunlit surface. They see the life cycles of the submerged emotional world in better clarity and reality.
    I've always liked the deep ocean metaphor - it's fitting. It's easy for INFPs to explore the depths and ignore the surface, and ENTPs to do the opposite. It's not possible to focus on everything at once, as the ocean is pretty big.

    From the depths, I may notice underwater currents that affect the surface directions, but I'm capable of missing the storms and winds that often have a larger affect on a surface dwelling boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    J Fe users and P Fe users are going to be different in their sense of feeling as stable and authoritative, aren't they? Are they?
    Good point. I would assume J Fe users are more... purposeful? Consistent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Perhaps, by "big picture" we should clarify as attempting at an objective recognition of the emotional needs of the other? Is this more accurate of Fe rather than Fi?
    I bolded the objective recognition part, because I do tend to believe Fe is more objectively observant than Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    I've always liked the deep ocean metaphor - it's fitting. It's easy for INFPs to explore the depths and ignore the surface, and ENTPs to do the opposite. It's not possible to focus on everything at once, as the ocean is pretty big.

    From the depths, I may notice underwater currents that affect the surface directions, but I'm capable of missing the storms and winds that often have a larger affect on a surface dwelling boat.
    Yeah, that makes me think about why I am so outwardly focused. My home life always felt unstable to me growing up, so I learned to always keep one eye out for danger. And, I also learned early on how to adapt by avoiding things coming for me or by trying to dodge through the world around me as it swooped in. I was rarely left alone to my own devices in any safe, consistent way. Also, since both my parents were extraverts I simply was not allowed to keep to myself, which leads to a sort of divided consciousness I find common in ENTP's (ever notice the prevalence of duality symbolism among ENTP's?). Being required to be involved with the world yet always keeping a part of ourselves back and hidden.

    But, if you think about it. Keeping an eye on the horizon is what ENTP's do. We lose the fine distinctions in things. We lose the particulars, which is what our deep diving friends are so adept at. In the water you can only see what is immediately in front of you. And sometimes you are forced to locate what cannot be seen and only felt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Is there a larger goal (such as the happiness of others) that you seek in the one-on-one interactions you have with people?
    Hmmm... not really. I like discussing ideas with others and enjoying experiences with them, but I'm not thinking of any goal besides that.

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