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    Default Can NFs be ruthless, cruel or evil?

    Some of the adjectives from the profiles, describing NFs are: compassionate, nurturing, insightful and encouraging, altruistic, inspiring, warmly affectionate and affirming, empathetic, caring...

    Now I'm thinking how can such a person be evil? I think it's not possible.

    Sure, they can hurt people unintentionally due to their immaturity or stupidity but they just can't be heartless bastards because it goes against everything they believe in.

    A good friend of mine is an ENFP and I'm amazed at his levels of empathy. There was this youtube video of a shark with retarded teeth and it was hilarious so I showed it to him. This one: YouTube - Shark with funny teeth

    And guess what? He didn't like it. He said he felt bad for the shark. lol I really didn't believe him and I asked if he was fucking kidding me? He insisted that he was telling the truth and I believed him because he really doesn't lie to me. Even if he did lie I could tell because we have this weird connection.

    Ok, I'm thinking this is gonna be a very short topic because everyone's gonna agree with me, but I'm going to post it anyway. There will probably be some INTP who will disagree with me just for the fun of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    Now I'm thinking how can such a person be evil? I think it's not possible
    And that's just what we want you to think


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    Inadvertently they can probably be the most cruel. Because when they're doing it, they probably honest to god believe they're doing the right thing, for whatever deluded reason they have.

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    Yes,
    just like everyone else.
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    I like what SH said.

    Anyone can be made to feel backed into a corner.
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    No, they can be mean and cruel. I don't know if anyone, with notable and obvious exceptions, is really "evil" but there is no reason NF's in pursuit of some ideal world couldn't wind up being evil to whatever extent one can be in the daily sense of the word.

    It's just that people mostly wind up being ruthless in pursuit of some object-oriented, self-centered goal, which are goals that are rare in the NF (or at least in my own, not to make myself sound like some übermensch) worldview-- which is the same reason that NF CEOs and big wigs are relatively rare.
    "People from a planet without flowers would think we must be mad with joy to have such things about us at all times."-Iris Murdoch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silently Honest View Post
    Inadvertently they can probably be the most cruel. Because when they're doing it, they probably honest to god believe they're doing the right thing, for whatever deluded reason they have.
    ^Yup, that last part is the key to NF evilness.


    Evil is kind of in the eye of the beholder--what one regards as evil may be perfectly acceptable/justifiable behaviour to another. As long as the NF has justified their actions to themselves, it's entirely possible that they could commit acts that are viewed as 'evil' by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_
    Sure, they can hurt people unintentionally due to their immaturity or stupidity but they just can't be heartless bastards because it goes against everything they believe in.
    Only if they believe that being a heartless bastard = bad. If their world view = "It's kind to be cruel in a tough world", you can get a pretty hard-lining NF. I think to the NF though, their intentions must be congruent with their own beliefs, even if the beliefs themselves are deluded (refer to the SH quote).

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    All that emotional intensity can go toward negative emotions almost as easily as it can go toward positive ones and we can find a way to justify it because we have flexible minds like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    Can NFs be ruthless, cruel or evil?
    Of course not! All hearts and flowers here!

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    Yes. The adjectives used in many of the descriptions are based on mostly healthy NFs at their best. Many are also in part supposed to help people assess their own type: why would I want to identify myself with Charles Manson or corrupted idealism in general?

    Of course not! All hearts and flowers here!
    Except Elaur is not and has never been capable of such vile and depraved things.
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