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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker View Post
    Honestly, I do think Hitler was a rather messed-up INFJ. /understatement

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Ahh, this reminds me of a conversation I had with Jennifer and why she's more inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt and why I'm not.

    Basically I was like people can't be that stupid, I truly believe people are smarter than that and since I believe they are I expect them to be.

    She was basically like I believe people are that stupid and since they are I can cut them some slack.
    Aren't both ideas correct depending on the person in question?

    I wouldn't say people are "stupid" as a reason to cut them slack, but that they are strongly imprinted upon by circumstance, genetics, and environment (I'm guessing my overall approach to the idea is not unlike Jennifer's). I have a friend who works in the ER and relays stories about individuals who obsessively drink rubbing alcohol, or inflict other horrible wounds, or just represent the dregs of society and have the physical scars to show for it. The gamut of people's lives is vast, and there is always a reason why people do as they do. If I do not fully understand the cause, how can I judge the effect?

    And yet the assumption that a person can do more can sometimes help them find the strength inside themselves. That strength had to already be there, and something previous happened to condition them to be able to respond to the gesture of confidence. I see it as a means to an end, but not the end in itself because complete understanding of any given human life is not available.

    When there is someone acting cruelly or self-destructively, I ask myself what things would have to have taken place in my life, what kind of disposition would I have had to be born with, etc. to be that. There is one place in my mind that leaves unanswered the question of what would I have been like given the same parameters in life that other person was given. There is no way to prove I would not be exactly the same. It comes down to a question of whether one considers a person's life and choices deterministic or if one considers they have control and freedom to choose the outcome of their life. I don't know the answer to that question and so err on the side of the outcome being deterministic and approach the "freedom to control one's life" concept simply as a way to influence a pre-determined system. Perhaps saying that helps create an illusion that produces a better result?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Requeim View Post
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    Hmm. From what I've read of him, he does seem to fit the type. It's not a reflection on INFJs, though! I think they are awesome people in general. I really can't place him as any other type...

    As for the OP, seriously, any type can be cruel or ruthless. This really should go without stating it's so obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Ahh, this reminds me of a conversation I had with Jennifer and why she's more inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt and why I'm not.

    Basically I was like people can't be that stupid, I truly believe people are smarter than that and since I believe they are I expect them to be.

    She was basically like I believe people are that stupid and since they are I can cut them some slack.

    In the end, I felt like I had more confidence in people and that I was expecting them to be better because they could. I was then patted on the head, given a benevolent smile and a chocolate chip cookie.
    This is off-topic, but it reminds me of the reminders parents kept getting from the elementary school not to beckon our children across lanes of oncoming traffic. I thought they were being ridiculous. Who would do that?

    Then one day I saw with my own eyes a mother trying to get her kid to cross the street when cars were coming.

    It was a revelation that caused me to reevaluate what I thought I knew about my fellow man.
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    Can NFs be ruthless, cruel or evil?
    The question answers itself.

    So instead I will say that a lot of the NFs on here are very helpful, friendly, and good.
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    I think they can be ruthless,cruel or evil(depending on the definition),but,they would have to go through some messed up experiences first,until they eventually develop a certain tolerance for pain,and learn to love it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    Some of the adjectives from the profiles, describing NFs are: compassionate, nurturing, insightful and encouraging, altruistic, inspiring, warmly affectionate and affirming, empathetic, caring...

    Now I'm thinking how can such a person be evil? I think it's not possible.
    Don't you find it infinitely confining to percieve people, their vision and their potiential as to being derived from their personality type? Do you think all asians are good at math too, and all black guys steal cars?
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    I think anyone has the capacity to be cruel or hurtful. I think we, as INFJs, tend to look at things in terms of cost/benefit. Most people do, but it just so happens that we have a greater benefit ratio.

    Personally, I am willing to put up with a lot, willing to put myself in the path of the train if it means that it will end with a greater pay off to someone else or myself.

    For instance, relationships...I will put up with a lot (other than cheating) if it means that I can teach something or give something to the other person. Also, if I feel like it will be a payoff to me in the end (they learn, they grow, we become closer), then I'm willing to put up with a lot. I also recognize the good that is within each person, even if they are a leech or the walking dead. They are simply misinformed and lost. I am here to guide them.

    It's when that cost/benefit ratio gets wacky that people do hurtful things. If the cost outweighs the benefit, and non-INFJs (or INFJs) feel like they can not continue, then the tendency to do hurtful things occurs. But, again, I feel we, as INFJs, have a high capacity to feel hurt because not only do we know that hurt on a more intimate level, so we know that hurt from different perspectives. We know what it feels like to hurt, so we avoid hurting others at all costs.

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