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    Certainly, Ne is going to be a lot faster spotting stuff in realtime than Ni. A lot faster.

    It also seems to me that this stuff works much better on types that aren't duals. Seems to me ENFPs and INTJs stalemate each other way before either knows what they've done. That's, like, the peril and the depth of dual relationships at the same time.



    Also, I'm aware here that I'm speaking from my prejudices. Like, I know handling stuff in realtime is important, but my Ni perspective says realtime will eventually fail and ya needed to know before hand what was the better choice.

    Dunno if that actually does apply to ENFPs or not.
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    yeah but the balance comes from strong Fi not Ni, and it's ultimately unfair to privilege Ni as being more accurate in the end (it is more conservative, generally speaking, especially in learning where learning is ruled by intense interpolation of information from very specific and somewhat narrow information). i find enfps dangerous largely due to the uncertain nature of Ne being a real-time function and it not taking time to weigh options and make sure it makes the best choice (but this ultimately says more about my fears than about my actual interpretation of the functions themselves).

    bc if i really think about it, my Ni postponements don't exactly help me make perfect decisions either. sometimes you know... and sometimes you don't. such is decision-making, period.

    the enfp who has more developed inner structure will be more aware of lasting values, the relevancy of past decisions/judgments, etc. just like we're better when we use our auxilary Je functions to open ourselves up, get feedback from what is going on around us, see where our ideas and preconceptions and premonitions lead us and what they create in the world, testing ourselves in the process.

    we spend more time testing our ideas internally and they spend more time testing what they can do externally. the balancing happens eventually for some, but just as important is the way your ego complexes potentially clash.

    i agree that neither type really *knows* at all beyond the vaguaries of intuition and successful habits. Ti is the best function at making the implicit explicit anyway. but then it's too easy to believe your own lie.

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    ^pretty sure I agree. And my take would be:

    There's something in here about introverts being subject to extroverts. It's an enduring--myth? With some basis, too, it would seem. But there's some kind of myth-making hubris in there too, on the E side. Or need?

    But then, what do we Ni-doms have to lay claim to except... what? "We're just as ridiculously, non-judgmentally perceptive as you guys... it's just we do it when no-one's looking. "?


    Maybe I have INTJ worldly success issues.
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    i think a lot of that is the 5w4 aspect that we both share. the e5 fear of having to adjust to something in the moment that leaves you with a helpless feeling.

    as far as the worth of Ni vs the worth of Ne, something's got to collect and re-absorb the mistakes of the past. our imaginations are slower (read: they spend more time remembering) but more eternal, timeless, mystical. we have more continuity, and demand more continuity. we tie the loose threads together, if only to discover where they have frayed.

    Ne is more naturally spontaneous, more generative, blah blah. but only in the sense that it operates closer to the production phase of the process. it's more splattering and less concentrated, less tied to a single vision. Ni attempts singularity, that's the joy of a memory active introverted process. anchor can be good or bad depending on what you do with it, and what the situation calls for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Certainly, Ne is going to be a lot faster spotting stuff in realtime than Ni. A lot faster.

    It also seems to me that this stuff works much better on types that aren't duals. Seems to me ENFPs and INTJs stalemate each other way before either knows what they've done. That's, like, the peril and the depth of dual relationships at the same time.



    Also, I'm aware here that I'm speaking from my prejudices. Like, I know handling stuff in realtime is important, but my Ni perspective says realtime will eventually fail and ya needed to know before hand what was the better choice.

    Dunno if that actually does apply to ENFPs or not.
    Its not exactly real time. If he went back and thought about it and realized what was going on he was probably was hurt - so he decided to play back.

    The thing is not to get upset about it, and not to label a certain type as Vindictive.

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    What else would you label it? Just because it's fleeting doesn't make its essence free from being staked into the ground.


    Y'know, even to me, Fi ends up seeming selfish and blind sometimes. Like, lists of who got hurt first and who hurts more or who hurts now. To quote R.E.M., we've been on this shift too long.*




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    What else would you label it? Just because it's fleeting doesn't make its essence free from being staked into the ground.


    Y'know, even to me, Fi ends up seeming selfish and blind sometimes. Like, lists of who got hurt first and who hurts more or who hurts now. To quote R.E.M., we've been on this shift too long.*




    * Ha! Driver 8 is a more ironic quote than Everybody Hurts.
    I guess that goes back again to packaging people in a little box.

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    Oh my god, does that make sense.

    I am SOO vindictive..and it's not to be cruel.

    It seems I'm most vindictive when I'm trying to get back at people I really care about. I have no idea why I do it, I guess I'm secretly craving their attention and trying to make them feel guilty..actually, I'm sure that's what it is :P
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    i find w8 more vindictive than w6, but that's just a label for a particular type of vindictiveness. it is more openly hostile. as a e5, i have a bit of this element as well.

    overall, from the write up, there's no reason to privilege either side over the other. both involve getting at the other side, trying to assert control, subtle manipulation, and anger from hurt.

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    I think it may have something to do with an immature Fi.
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