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    Poor Eck. It was all downhill after the circus rejected him.

    eNFJ 4w3 sx/so 468 tritype
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    edit: just editing to edit- I try to do it at least three times after posting.

    Who likes cheeseburgers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fill View Post
    I know ENFJs have a want to please people, which in turn rewards them with appreciation, but is this a genuine system? I ask this because I think the other side involves plans or goals. With this in mind, couldn't they please people simply for the sake of their goal?

    I think this also has to do with charisma and trying to uphold it in order to accomplish a goal.

    Am I talking about Hitler yet?
    If the ends are good, and the means are decent, what the eff is the problem??? How does that correspond to Hitler?

    Hitler used decent means of relating to people and inspiring them to achieve ridiculous, dangerous ends culminating in mass murder and the invasion of nearly all of Europe. It all depends on the goal, what side you're on, etc.

    So at the end of the day, I don't see how Fe is any more manipulative than Fi...It's just different means to an end. If the end is negative, Fi isn't going to make the end any better or worse, now, is it? Same goes for any of the other two judging functions, Ti or Te.
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    eNFJ 4w3 sx/so 468 tritype
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino View Post
    Poor Eck. It was all downhill after the circus rejected him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    If the ends are good, and the means are decent, what the eff is the problem??? How does that correspond to Hitler?

    Hitler used decent means of relating to people and inspiring them to achieve ridiculous, dangerous ends culminating in mass murder and the invasion of nearly all of Europe. It all depends on the goal, what side you're on, etc.

    So at the end of the day, I don't see how Fe is any more manipulative than Fi...It's just different means to an end. If the end is negative, Fi isn't going to make the end any better or worse, now, is it? Same goes for any of the other two judging functions, Ti or Te.
    Thank you for your input.
    Hitler reference was a joke.

    I was really just wondering. I was-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino View Post



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    Quote Originally Posted by fill View Post
    I know ENFJs have a want to please people, which in turn rewards them with appreciation, but is this a genuine system? I ask this because I think the other side involves plans or goals. With this in mind, couldn't they please people simply for the sake of their goal?
    How is that associated with the "Feeling" function solely? Being calculated in pleasing others would be more of a strategic T thing, wouldn't it? Or perhaps not a specific type thing. Regardless I think the premise that "ENFJs are fake" is unsupported.

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    I should have put, "ignore the title, it's solely for the purpose of advertisement."

    I don't think ENFJs are fake. I'm wondering if an unhealthy one helps or leads others for the sake of their "ego" of sorts. Because two of the three ENFJs I do know, do this some times. I don't know what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fill View Post
    I should have put, "ignore the title, it's solely for the purpose of advertisement."

    I don't think ENFJs are fake. I'm wondering if an unhealthy one helps or leads others for the sake of their "ego" of sorts.
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