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    Default INFJs Relationships with ESFJ/Ps +ENTPs

    Based on my personal experience as an INFJ, I found out that ESFJs, ESFPs, and ENTPs are the least types that I get along with.

    Starting with ESFJs, I know an ESFJ girl in my class that despises me.. She always seems to envy me. I tried to be nice to her, but I failed miserably. She only enjoys hanging out with "funny people" and doesn't feel comfortable being around people that do not share with her the same interests. She possess so much masculine qualities to the point that some girls in my class tell her to "calm down".. I assume that because she is always exuberant, she doesn't like to be around worried people.

    Moving on to ESFPs, my father is an ESFP himself. As much as he loves me, I ocassionally get angry when he always thinks that he's right and always likes things done "his way". My father can be hot-tempered.. He's very outgoing and is not afraid to express his opinion. He always expects things to be organized, despite his extreme disorganizational skills.. He always seems to put more effort in attempt to satisfy me than my brothers. His extreme independent motives sometimes makes me feel socially awkward when we're out in public.

    Last but not least, ENTPs are the hardest people for me to get along with. I've known a male ENTP for about three years. When I was in 8th and 9th grade, I genuinely liked him because he was always friendly towards me. However, this year he was put in my class. As soon as he got to know me better, things went downhill.. He tried to manipulate me so many times. He called me out in class several times for pointless reasons. He would always tell people what's on his mind. He's always complaining about people that he knows.. He does not mind raising his voice on a teacher that he despises (our INFP English teacher). Also, he knows how to push my buttons. After he stirs up the pot, he pretends that nothing happened. I don't remember a day that passed by without seeing him engage himself in an argument. He once asked me if I hated him. I lied to him by telling him that I do not hate him (I don't like hurting other people's feelings).. The only thing that I can't get over with was when he humiliated me in front of my favorite teacer. I counterattacked him by yelling at him analyzing all of the faults of his personality. For me to show any negative emotions in front of my ESTJ teacher, punctured a whole in my heart.

    Can any other INFJ relate to this? ESFJs, ESFPs, and ENTPS..., have any of you had any brutal encounter with an INFJ? I would like to hear a myraid of opinions. All types are welcomed to post on this topic and express their opinions..

    If there is anything above that is unclear, please let me know.

    Thank you in advance!

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    The ESFJ and ENTP sound quite immature.

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    I agree with the above post. It sounds like the ESFJ and ENTP you know are just immature.

    My mother is an ESFJ, and growing up was a living hell. There are some very interesting ESFJs out there, but from my personal experience a majority of the ESFJs that i've encountered were very superficial and manipulative. They want you there when they need a shoulder to cry on or someone to fix their computer, but when they aren't experiencing problems, they forget you exist.

    ESFPs are fun, but only in small doses.


    Quote Originally Posted by BMEF View Post
    He's very outgoing and is not afraid to express his opinion. He always expects things to be organized, despite his extreme disorganizational skills..

    That is one of the problems my grandfather has. He feels the need to express his opinions everywhere. But whenever you challenge or disagree with his opinions, he takes offense that you simply "don't agree", gets stressed out, and drops the subject without hearing out the opposing viewpoint. ESFPs also like to put people on the spot.. and show up unannounced. perhaps to them that is organization.

    I've only met one ENTP irl... and i was on good terms with him, but i've noticed that he would usually do things (like you mentioned above) just to see how the other person would react. the best thing to do is just be direct. you mentioned that he asked if you hated him. i'm also guessing that you aren't telling him why you dislike him? he might have realized his actions towards you and now he might be trying to figure out why you do not hate him, despite his actions? (just a guess). avoiding being direct with an ENTP is never a good thing... they will keep going until they get a reaction.

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    Agree with the others that those you mentioned seem immature, and are not necessarily representative of most members of their types.

    ESFJs I can get along with as long as they are not in a position of authority over me or believe themselves to be in some way above me. If such is the case we tend to argue and end up going our separate ways because they pressure me to be a certain way or do certain things which I find unbearably obnoxious. Otherwise they can be good casual friends.

    ESFPs are fun friends, we have a blast together. But I've never gotten very close to one (or I have, and I just don't know it because I'm expecting more); they tend not to appreciate my strengths and vice versa.

    ENTPs are one of my favorite types except in the case of the unbalanced or immature ENTP, both of whom I avoid with all my might. The former can seem manic, and the latter is all fluff and no substance. Overall though, I tend to get along with ENTPs very well. I'm surprised you have serious issues with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky is BLUE! View Post
    The ESFJ and ENTP sound quite immature.
    I guess you're right. Most of my teachers don't like them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    I agree with the above post. It sounds like the ESFJ and ENTP you know are just immature.
    What a relief! I always thought that I was the only one that thought this way..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post

    My mother is an ESFJ, and growing up was a living hell. There are some very interesting ESFJs out there, but from my personal experience a majority of the ESFJs that i've encountered were very superficial and manipulative. They want you there when they need a shoulder to cry on or someone to fix their computer, but when they aren't experiencing problems, they forget you exist.
    So true! The ESFJ I know drives me nuts. I can't stand her selfishness. I pity you for having to grow up with an ESFJ that annoyed you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    ESFPs are fun, but only in small doses.
    Haha.. I concur! My ESFP dad can be funny sometimes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post

    That is one of the problems my grandfather has. He feels the need to express his opinions everywhere. But whenever you challenge or disagree with his opinions, he takes offense that you simply "don't agree", gets stressed out, and drops the subject without hearing out the opposing viewpoint. ESFPs also like to put people on the spot.. and show up unannounced. perhaps to them that is organization.
    Ditto! Your grandfather sounds like my dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    I've only met one ENTP irl... and i was on good terms with him, but i've noticed that he would usually do things (like you mentioned above) just to see how the other person would react. the best thing to do is just be direct. you mentioned that he asked if you hated him. i'm also guessing that you aren't telling him why you dislike him? he might have realized his actions towards you and now he might be trying to figure out why you do not hate him, despite his actions? (just a guess). avoiding being direct with an ENTP is never a good thing... they will keep going until they get a reaction.
    I can totally relate and agree with what you just said. Being wishy-washy with an ENTP is only going to make things worse. So far, the silent treatment is working for him. I assume that not paying attention to an ENTP might make him/her move on to a different target (another lamb to slaughter) I haven't told him why I dislike him because I know that will only make things worse. Everything you said about ENTPs and their desire to receive "a reaction" is true.. I still have a few tricks rolled up my sleeves just in case he might do something "extremely verbally abusive"..

    Thank you both for your opinions! I'm looking forward to hear more opinions. Also, to all of the ESFJs, ESFPs, and ENTPs out there, please don't be offended. I'm just saying what happened to me based on my personal experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    ESFJs I can get along with as long as they are not in a position of authority over me or believe themselves to be in some way above me. If such is the case we tend to argue and end up going our separate ways because they pressure me to be a certain way or do certain things which I find unbearably obnoxious. Otherwise they can be good casual friends.
    I agree with you! Thank God, I never was assigned to work with her on a project.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    ESFPs are fun friends, we have a blast together. But I've never gotten very close to one (or I have, and I just don't know it because I'm expecting more); they tend not to appreciate my strengths and vice versa.
    I agree. My ESFP dad might not show appreciation towards things that deserve appreciation. Also as an INFJ, I don't like it when people tell me things like: "Go open the door!" or "Answer the phone!".. I prefer someone that would say something like "May you please open the door? Thank you."

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    ENTPs are one of my favorite types except in the case of the unbalanced or immature ENTP, both of whom I avoid with all my might. The former can seem manic, and the latter is all fluff and no substance. Overall though, I tend to get along with ENTPs very well. I'm surprised you have serious issues with them.
    I only know ONE ENTP. I liked him at the beginning, because he flattered me with his tongue (always praising me). But after I saw his true colors, I despised him. But like you guys said, he is probably an immature ENTP.

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    I'm an ENTP and my closest friend is an INFJ, all I'd say is try not to use MBTI as a way to pre-judge types based on a bad experience or two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    I'm an ENTP and my closest friend is an INFJ, all I'd say is try not to use MBTI as a way to pre-judge types based on a bad experience or two
    I'm sorry.

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    I think it's interesting when people complain about people who complain about people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    I'm an ENTP and my closest friend is an INFJ, all I'd say is try not to use MBTI as a way to pre-judge types based on a bad experience or two
    Yeah! intj are like that. I knew 1 and he'd always do that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Yeah! intj are like that. I knew 1 and he'd always do that!


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