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    Fail 2.0 Array BlueScreen's Avatar
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    For the ENFPs that are actually out there doing something world changing, what are you doing and how did you end up doing it? Or if you are another type who knows an ENFP is this position, tell us their story.

    People seem to attach ENFPs to being great humanitarians. From the ones I've met very few of us actually are (at least on the big scale). I know somewhere deep there is a drive to be, but there is always other interests and pursuits. If you look at the careers thread, these are what ENFPs are doing,

    Information Systems
    Mathematics/Liberal Studies/Biology(Environmental)/Psychology
    English/Creative Writing
    Mechanical Engineering
    Electrical Engineering/Physics
    Art History
    English Literature
    Physical Anthropology

    Only one doing psychology even, social work and the like is nowhere to be seen. We are among the less religious types also, and religion seems to be an entry to a lot of humanitarian work.

    So firstly I'd like to know ENFP's experiences doing humanitarian work.

    And secondly I want to ask: are we not really that humanitarian except in theory, or do we want to be and are running into some kind of barrier?
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    good questions. i'd like to hear from others as well. i know for me, i like the idea of it, but then again, an occupation that focuses on this might get to be exhausting since i am sort of that way in my personal life... if that makes sense.

    what i mean is, i guess you could say i am an advocate of the principles of humanism in my day-to-day life, but not in a structured job description or in a formalized way. i care about the people in my life and hope that i love and influence those in my circle. i do actively seek out the broken and hurting ones, but not as a career.

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    I worked in a cat shelter and animal clinic out of conviction despite having a Masters in Languages. Right now, I'm applying for a mediator job, to help people sort out conflicts. I am thinking of going back to school for my Masters in Psychology. Meanwhile, I help those that ask for help. I think NFPs are more likely to work one person/living being at a time. I study the most diverse subjects and find that people with all sorts of people seek me out because of that. I suck at doing this on a big scale though, coz it requires being organized, dealing with groups and I feel the personal one on one feeling that fills me so with joy, that allows both me and the other person to feel special in the process, gets lost.

    I dunno if this is what you're looking for, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post

    And secondly I want to ask: are we not really that humanitarian except in theory, or do we want to be and are running into some kind of barrier?

    I think most of us are, but at the same time we are very untraditional so since the majority of organisations have big portion of bureaucracy and traditional ways of helping (like you mentioned, religious organisations), we stay away from it more often than we would like.

    That reminds me of this;
    Quote Originally Posted by Ne dominants description
    Always looking for novel information and high-potential situations is like skimming the cream off of everything; one rarely stays around long enough to reap the material rewards. Ne types are more interested in increasing or developing potential than in materializing it. For example, one might become fluent in a foreign language but never seriously consider making it a career. Or one might become on expert on some field, but prefer to discuss it with friends and write about it as a hobbyist rather than entering the field and making it a career. This is especially typical of ENFPs, who tend to avoid making binding professional decisions (sensitive + that wants to be free of external limitations). ENTPs feel more comfortable being part of institutions and organizations that obligate them in some way, because they understand that these obligations are mere formalities that aren't too hard to perform. ENFPs blow the importance of formalities out of proportion, as if having to get a few signatures or recommendations is simply "too restrictive" to allow them to work.
    This is at least one of the main reasons for me staying away from it.

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    I am currently going through training to work for the International Red Cross in the Middle East. I do not know what my next assignment will be.

    It has been a long road and it was a lot of commitment, so if ENFPs are passionate enough about something they are willing to go through all the steps. So dont let the stereotype of something being too restrictive put you in a box.

    I have gotten a master in Islamic and Middle Eastern Studies and I have become fluent in French and Arabic and I am now working on Hebrew.

    I will be working with prisoners of war, investigating human rights violations, helping people after bombings etc..

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    I am a fundraiser for a very successful children's non-profit charity. I went through a lot of effort to open up the doors to be involved in such a well known global charity. Despite having an OK resume, my passion and persistence paid off in the end as I applied for multiple jobs over the course of a year.

    However, I am not still not satisfied. I am surrounded by the most inspiring invididuals, yet I feel I am on the wrong side of the organization. I want to get involved in the actual missions, which, btw, are not religious whatsoever, as oppose to the funding of these missions. I'm thinking about moving abroad to become fluent in another language so I can try to be on the programs side as oppose to the raising money side. It offers more adventure and traveling to appease to my yearning to see my work paying off first hand and my need for new experiences, and quite frankly, to ditch the office work for something more fun and exciting.

    Honestly, I think ENFPs can differ depending on their ennegram. I think most of us are either a 2 (Helper), 3 (Acheiver) or 7 (enthusiast). If you are more of a 2 w a 7, you will go out there and find a way to help while mixing in adventure. If you are a 3, you will be more concerned with the status quo and find smaller ways to help. I'm a mix of all 3, but as I mature am starting to realize to find my true self I need to ditch the 3, so I obviously I will be embracing more of my 3 and 7. Peace out USA. Others need our help
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    I have spent a big chunk of my life volunteering and doing organizing work. I dont really consider it 'humanitarian work' though. I would consider more activist work and generally do no even use that moniker. They are huge and important distinctions.

    Humanitarian work is trying to feed children by literally collecting and distributing food. I.E. volunteering at a soup kitchen or community pantry (which I've done). Activist work is trying to change laws and minds to redistribute existing wealth or create new jobs. Sometimes humanitarian and activist work overlap, but they are distinct.

    On a personal level, NFs in general want be kind to individuals.

    On a global level, humanitarian work has always been too soft for me. It generally does not get at the root causes of problems, it merely alleviates the symptoms. Humanitarian work is very socially acceptable and historically overlaps with religious charities. Humanitarian work is often part of the status quo as its accepted that the poor and disadvantaged will always be a part of the world and someone or some organization will have to take care of them. Activist work addresses the root problems and tends to shake things up and even be disruptive and is not always socially accepted (though if the work is done well, after the fact history will favor the activists).

    I'm definitely more of an activist than a traditional humanitarian.

    There are tons of INFPs and ENFPs in the activist/educator circles I know. ENFP women (and men) fall like apples from trees. They work in women's shelters, all sorts of small non profits, as educators and mentors and journalists, championing people in the margins, etc. A lot of work falls outside of traditional 'activist' or 'humanitarian' labels but in the end are about evening out historical inequality, increasing access and opportunities to things, and celebrating and uplifting people.

    The XNFPs I know who are involved with these efforts are definitely more interested in pushing things and critquing things and basically changing things than perpetuating status quo.

    Having said that, the people I know who are more likely to do traditional volunteering such as at a food pantry or animal shelter are 'Js'. I think the 'J' helps them stick to a volunteering schedule lol and directs their care in a more formal/regimented way. And btw, I'm not knocking traditional volunteering at all.
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    i was on the board of directors of a non profit in bayview hunter's point where we mostly dealt with gentrification issues in that area largely a result of the city of san francisco turning a blind eye to some of the issues there with developers and the way they handled their business. developers in los angeles did it in a more satisfactory way when comparing the two cities.

    another i taught an SAT class to low income high schoolers in South Los Angeles. this was actually pretty fun, and the kids were pretty studious and cool to teach.

    sample of me teaching that class:

    Me: So make sure you guys carry around that vocab notebook EVERYWHERE you go!
    Student: *looks at me with disbelief*
    Me: What??!? How come ur not gonna do it?
    Student: ummm.... cus if other kids see me with it, they are going to make fun of me... its gonna be bad!
    Me: Well, just hide it in your bag then! You don't have to carry it around on your hand! Sheesh...


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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    i make babiez
    thats ruining the world, not saving it.
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