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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    You can't change your type.
    although the theory kind of says this ^ a priori, the actual observance of people changing types is well supported.

    Form M of the MBTI test had (im trying to pull this from memory) about 70+ % of people scoring the same type when they took the test less than 9 months later. Beyond 9 months, only less than 30% (dont remember exactly, but its a low #) scored all four letters the same (though many kept 3 letters).

    From a purely observed frequency perspective, it seems people change types a lot. Though I do get that the theory has it a priori that types don't change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    although the theory kind of says this ^ a priori, the actual observance of people changing types is well supported.

    Form M of the MBTI test had (im trying to pull this from memory) about 70+ % of people scoring the same type when they took the test less than 9 months later. Beyond 9 months, only less than 30% (dont remember exactly, but its a low #) scored all four letters the same (though many kept 3 letters).

    From a purely observed frequency perspective, it seems people change types a lot. Though I do get that the theory has it a priori that types don't change.
    I can offer a glimpse of this phenomena from my own life esperience. About 9 years ago I took an MBTI test online. Granted I don't rememebr if it was as credible as the Thompson-Maidenbaum free test often referenced nowadays, but it seemed like it was comprehensive enough.

    Anyhow, I tested ENTJ, and my wife tested INTJ. We cracked up. Both of us at the time were working in the software development industry. So, the NT rational thinking was utilized in everyday tasks, and timeliness was of the essence due to intense project schedules with little or no slack, hence reinforcement of "J."

    Then I went back to school for a few years, my wife kept working but eventually became a mother when I knocked her up. :pornstar:

    Two years ago we both took the Personality100: PhD-certified Personality Test test as an exercise in self discovery. I tested ESTP (off the charts) and she tested INFJ (strong in all characteristics, but not off the charts).

    So, it looks like for me that EXTX is very consistent over a decade, and I have been allowed to let my "S" and "P" manifest as my default schema since I am now working as a policy analyst/database analyst/statistician/contract manager instead of doing system analysis/coding.

    My wife has held INXJ for a decade. Maybe motherhood allowed her "F" to come forward as she traded her compiler and whiteboard for diapers and bottles for a few years. :yim_rolling_on_the_

    Anyhow, I don't know if it is more a matter of (a) types changing over time, or (b) the nature of our lives (work/school/personal situations/etc.) having a strong influence over us to the extent that maybe we have to subconsciously suppress our default modes of thinking for a given period of time in order to be successful in our current environments/states.

    Either option above serves as an adequate framework for a given person's MBTI type registering differently when tested at different times of their lives.
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    BIG 5 -> Extroversion 77% ; Accommodation 60% ; Orderliness 62% ; Emotional Stability 64% ; Open Mindedness 74%

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    I tested INTP several years ago consistently. Then I had a very rough and gloomy few years and now test INFP regularly. Type I'd say type can gradually change over time, but one can not consciously change their type.

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    I also think it's possible for your type to change over time(or circumstantially); particularly, on the J/P and E/I scale. My natural preference at work is not my natural preference at home.
    There is a thinking stuff from which all things are made, and which, in its original state, permeates, penetrates, and fills the interspaces of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    I don't know if it is more a matter of (a) types changing over time, or (b) the nature of our lives (work/school/personal situations/etc.) having a strong influence over us to the extent that maybe we have to subconsciously suppress our default modes of thinking for a given period of time in order to be successful in our current environments/states.

    Either option above serves as an adequate framework for a given person's MBTI type registering differently when tested at different times of their lives.
    My sister's job required her to take the official MBTI test a few years ago. She tested as ISTP when she's actually ESTJ. Their explanation of the change of type is that while ESTJ may be her core type, ISTP is the mindset she puts hersef into when she is at work. They said your type can temporarily alter according to your environment.

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    if I have been paying attention correctly, the 8 letters don't matter as much as the 8 functions. Maybe there should be more functions tests out there. It doesn't make much sense to me if someone said "well, I used to test as an introvert but now I'm an extrovert" as much as it would make sense for someone to say that their secondary function was X at one point, but after a certain period of time they developed another function and the hierarchy changed.

    none of it matters, probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pettycure View Post
    My sister's job required her to take the official MBTI test a few years ago. She tested as ISTP when she's actually ESTJ. Their explanation of the change of type is that while ESTJ may be her core type, ISTP is the mindset she puts hersef into when she is at work. They said your type can temporarily alter according to your environment.
    Interesting....
    I have a mutha-effin time suppressing my ESTP-ness at work.
    Luckily, my peers enjoy the very lunacy that is my reality.
    They say it's nice to have someone with so much "energy" around.
    But still, if I let it ALL hang out of the bag I probably would scare a few folks.
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    BIG 5 -> Extroversion 77% ; Accommodation 60% ; Orderliness 62% ; Emotional Stability 64% ; Open Mindedness 74%

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    According to the theory, you can't change type.

    In my personal opinion, your perceiving functions (Ne+Si or Ni+Se) are innate and Fi Fe Ti Te come into play and order themselves later in childhood, thanks to both nature and nurture. In my opinion, the time when the ordering part occurs is different for every individual, but your type should become pretty clear once you become a teenager.

    Therefore, if you ask if you can change from an ENFP to an ENFJ, I say that under normal circumstances, no, because all your functions would have to change and that would be completely unnatural and probably feel very weird. I would say, though, that a change like that is possible due to a mental illness or as a result of extreme stress. It's hard to judge if it would be temporary or permanent.

    If you're an ENFP and want to become more J, developing your Si and Te would be the safest way I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adoamros View Post
    if I have been paying attention correctly, the 8 letters don't matter as much as the 8 functions. Maybe there should be more functions tests out there. It doesn't make much sense to me if someone said "well, I used to test as an introvert but now I'm an extrovert" as much as it would make sense for someone to say that their secondary function was X at one point, but after a certain period of time they developed another function and the hierarchy changed.

    none of it matters, probably.
    the consistency of Function tests is even worse than the MBTI test lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    According to the theory, you can't change type.

    In my personal opinion, your perceiving functions (Ne+Si or Ni+Se) are innate and Fi Fe Ti Te come into play and order themselves later in childhood, thanks to both nature and nurture. In my opinion, the time when the ordering part occurs is different for every individual, but your type should become pretty clear once you become a teenager.

    Therefore, if you ask if you can change from an ENFP to an ENFJ, I say that under normal circumstances, no, because all your functions would have to change and that would be completely unnatural and probably feel very weird. I would say, though, that a change like that is possible due to a mental illness or as a result of extreme stress. It's hard to judge if it would be temporary or permanent.

    If you're an ENFP and want to become more J, developing your Si and Te would be the safest way I guess
    Yes, you can make the theory unfalsifiable and just say a priori that no ones type really changes. You are entitled to think that (it doesn't violate logic or anything).

    I would just say that the map is not the territory, and most functions can be described as a combo of two other functions. What we end up having is a lot of fluid metaphor (when talking about functions). Theres nothing wrong with that. The reality is that its just as likey that she has taken on new functions and in a new order. Making an a priori assumption that people can change functions is just as logical as assuming that people dont change type.

    I dont mean that in an adversarial way (I dont think there is a 'right answer' on this topic). Just talking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    Yes, you can make the theory unfalsifiable and just say a priori that no ones type really changes. You are entitled to think that (it doesn't violate logic or anything).

    I would just say that the map is not the territory, and most functions can be described as a combo of two other functions. What we end up having is a lot of fluid metaphor (when talking about functions). Theres nothing wrong with that. The reality is that its just as likey that she has taken on new functions and in a new order. Making an a priori assumption that people can change functions is just as logical as assuming that people dont change type.

    I dont mean that in an adversarial way (I dont think there is a 'right answer' on this topic). Just talking
    No offense taken I definitely don't think the theory is unfalsifiable and I agree that there is no 'right answer' to this topic. What I've written above is just my theory based on my latest observations. About a half year ago I had a slightly different theory, so it's not like it's set in stone

    I'd agree that there might always be exceptions from the rule, but I've yet to meet an individual who's personality would substantially change since teenage years. Of course that people develop many different traits and they get more (un)balanced, but completely change your core personality? One doesn't see that very often. Actually, the only person who I've ever seen change so much (from an INFJ to a weird INFP) was a girl with schizophrenia.

    However, I'm by to means implying that one can't take up some of the other functions (especially Fi, Fe, Ti, Te) to those they already have. I think this might be perfectly possible, but I don't think such a person would change one function for another, they would more likely add them to the already established ones. I doubt they would completely change the preference though.

    But these are just my personal opinions, of course

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