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    You should consider reading this article...

    The most annoying thing about an ENFP - PersonalityCafe

    It certainly explains everything that is annoying about us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
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    You went to great extents to compare what she said to other theories of how different people are. From my external view of the world Jeniffer was pretty spot on with her observations. If you take anything to deep theoretically you lose the theory with detail.

    While it may not be a great combo, it is a balancing combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    You went to great extents to compare what she said to other theories of how different people are. From my external view of the world Jeniffer was pretty spot on with her observations. If you take anything to deep theoretically you lose the theory with detail.

    While it may not be a great combo, it is a balancing combo.
    I didn't say that the observations were incorrect, just that the theoretical implications were off. Her point was that we see certain rigidity in unhealthy ENPs and that is due to the auxiliary function receiving autonomy. I mentioned that it is due to the auxiliary function becoming subservient to the dominant. In other words, the effect was correctly identified, yet the cause hasn't been.

    Secondly, I mentioned that not all unhealthy ENPs are rigid as the circumstances of many of such people simply don't allow them to be. As a general note, just because somebody has a tendency to behave in a certain way does not mean that they will behave in such a way. Consider a businessman who fits the persona Jennifer describes. Assume that he has important duties to carry out for a fortune 500 company. Will he go on wild speculations and act like a mad scientist? I think not. In his free time he probably would however. Altogether, my point is that it is important to understand that people do not always behave as their type would lead them to as they often have responsibilities to behave in a way that is different from how they normally would.

    All of this does not prove that Jennifer's conclusion was wrong, it only shows that a different justification is necessary.
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    If you need convincing on the ENFP annoying front take a trip to a place called ENFP haven (Otherwise known as HELL) You will be thoroughly convinced!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    I didn't say that the observations were incorrect, just that the theoretical implications were off. Her point was that we see certain rigidity in unhealthy ENPs and that is due to the auxiliary function receiving autonomy. I mentioned that it is due to the auxiliary function becoming subservient to the dominant. In other words, the effect was correctly identified, yet the cause hasn't been.

    Secondly, I mentioned that not all unhealthy ENPs are rigid as the circumstances of many of such people simply don't allow them to be. As a general note, just because somebody has a tendency to behave in a certain way does not mean that they will behave in such a way. Consider a businessman who fits the persona Jennifer describes. Assume that he has important duties to carry out for a fortune 500 company. Will he go on wild speculations and act like a mad scientist? I think not. In his free time he probably would however. Altogether, my point is that it is important to understand that people do not always behave as their type would lead them to as they often have responsibilities to behave in a way that is different from how they normally would.

    All of this does not prove that Jennifer's conclusion was wrong, it only shows that a different justification is necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    taken to PM to not derail thread into personality theory
    I don't think that the matter we are discussing is personality theory at all. For personality theory, review Please Understand Me (Volumes I and II) and the numerous online websites on personality systems like Enneagram, MBTI, socionics and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    I don't think that the matter we are discussing is personality theory at all. For personality theory, review Please Understand Me (Volumes I and II) and the numerous online websites on personality systems like Enneagram, MBTI, socionics and so on.
    lol, you just like to argue the detail dont you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    lol, you just like to argue the detail dont you.
    I don't think its a matter of details. There is a big difference between MBTI online sources about typology and Jung's work on the subject. The former is personality theory, the latter is not. It would be a remiss on our part to assume that the two are similar enough to be placed in the same group.
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    I gotta say, with my limited experience, I'm a fan of ENFPs

    You totally keep the conversation going, can talk about almost anything and you're generally awesome!
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