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    Hey guys. I am in trouble with typing one ENP right. Is it typically for ENFP to talk very much and very much about himself/herself? Well, I know one, who is just talking about herself. Very charismatic, and I like her, but I don't feel a direct connection when we meet - it's more like a monolog.

    And, second question. I am no american, and I tried to translate the word "flaky". Can you tell me about some situations, you experienced with ENFPs. Maybe especially about ENFPs, you see the first time.
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    Flaky = not following through, missing things, forgetting things.

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    Does this holds for social aspects?
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    All the enfp I know on here and irl have been great. Not annoying at all. Good thing about enfp is they always give you something to play off. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid and Flammable View Post
    Hey guys. I am in trouble with typing one ENP right. Is it typically for ENFP to talk very much and very much about himself/herself? Well, I know one, who is just talking about herself. Very charismatic, and I like her, but I don't feel a direct connection - it's more like a monolog.

    And, second question. I am no american, and I tried to translate the word "flaky". Can you tell me about some situations, you experienced with ENFPs. Maybe especially about ENFPs, you see the first time.
    It seems like they do like to talk about themselves. What connection are you expecting? He/She is probably excited and just has a lot to say. Take this as a chance to learn about them.

    To me flaky means that they dont do what they say they are going to, change plans, dont show up, etc. From my experience if you listen and understand they will let you know before hand that they are gonna "flake" and why.
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    ENFPs are of course loveable

    "Annoyance" is one of the few things that annoys me. It seems to be plastered everywhere online. I guess what I don't care for about it is its condescending tone. I am annoyed by mosquitos or tape stuck to my shoe. I realize people experience a great deal of social pain in their life which is worth addressing and resolving, etc. Excluding those deeper issues, I think that "annoyance" is a self-inflicted problem. Those who suffer from it are generating and receiving karma in a single fell swoop. And now I am less annoyed by it.
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    Yeah, excited. That can meet it.

    The connection I mean is the connection I have with some NTPs: Talking together about a project and academic facts. The difference is, that she's talking in patterns like

    - "I have ..."
    - "I can do...."
    - "I like ...."
    (and then facts are following)

    and the NTPs are talking in form of

    - "it's interesting that ..."
    - "wooooow, cool. That means, ...?"

    With NTPs I feel "WE are interested", with this (probably) ENFP I can just see, that she is interested in herself.

    Question: Is that normal for ENFPs? Or is it a normal view for NTPs to ENFP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Hey! I like to think you'll find out how great I am after I let you in.
    And that too.

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    Are you saying I am annoying
    No! That was just me being annoying.


    I do agree that the more open you are, the more open you are to the ridicule and judgment of others, up front. I kinda like it that way though. Saves lots of time and confusion. I'd like to think that people know what they're getting into with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    Here is what I noticed about ENFPs in general. They can be frustrating sometimes with their stubbornness of what matters to them and why. The frustration is not that what they want isnt important, but more that in certain cases it is not required and they wont listen to reason within this one context, that this one time they can let go.
    Hmm, can you give an example?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid and Flammable View Post
    Hey guys. I am in trouble with typing one ENP right. Is it typically for ENFP to talk very much and very much about himself/herself? Well, I know one, who is just talking about herself. Very charismatic, and I like her, but I don't feel a direct connection when we meet - it's more like a monolog.
    Depends. What's she saying about herself? Are you just getting to know her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    I think its the belief system that they feel like they must be part of. Its the NeTe that looks for support points to justify the internalized belief system. You can see this in ISTJs when they get stressed and turn to NeTe
    Yeah.

    Naturally an Ne+Fi person will use Fi to help shape the connections that Ne makes... just like Ne+Ti will create connections using more literal/natural law (sort of like Wile E. Coyote style logic, it's all "sensible" according to the laws of nature).

    I think ENTP can seem sort of insane -- mad scientist -- when Ti is off or extremely rigid, and so Ne is fettered and bound to it and thus distorted by it. Ne becomes enslaved to Ti's desires, rather than Ti "giving advice" to where Ne goes.

    Likewise, depending on how strong and how "rational" the Fi is, the Ne can become completely muddled and enslaved into supporting the rigid Fi valueset.

    The healthy ENFP's are wonderful, they explore everything and merely let Fi guide where they go, to inform their steps, rather than twisting Ne to justify Fi's rigid demands all while still retaining an extroverted energy flow. The extroverted energy flow coupled with Te skill also can result in someone who can be domineering and demanding and rigid/lopping off corners to force something to happen a certain way. Not a great combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeah.

    Naturally an Ne+Fi person will use Fi to help shape the connections that Ne makes... just like Ne+Ti will create connections using more literal/natural law (sort of like Wile E. Coyote style logic, it's all "sensible" according to the laws of nature).

    I think ENTP can seem sort of insane -- mad scientist -- when Ti is off or extremely rigid, and so Ne is fettered and bound to it and thus distorted by it. Ne becomes enslaved to Ti's desires, rather than Ti "giving advice" to where Ne goes.

    Likewise, depending on how strong and how "rational" the Fi is, the Ne can become completely muddled and enslaved into supporting the rigid Fi valueset.

    The healthy ENFP's are wonderful, they explore everything and merely let Fi guide where they go, to inform their steps, rather than twisting Ne to justify Fi's rigid demands all while still retaining an extroverted energy flow. The extroverted energy flow coupled with Te skill also can result in someone who can be domineering and demanding and rigid/lopping off corners to force something to happen a certain way. Not a great combo.

    Purely theoretical point: If you have a type where Ne is dominant and Ti is auxiliary, why is it the case that when this type becomes unhealthy Ne becomes subordinate to Ti? It seems to me that the scenario would make a lot more sense if it was the other way around: primary functions are dominant and the auxiliary are subordinated.

    From a purely typological standpoint, I'd think if an unhealthy ENP was given full freedom to be true to his or her natural tendencies, he or she would be guided by the output of Ne and use the auxiliary introverted judgment to give him or herself an affirmative judgment in favor of the demands of the dominant Ne function. It does seem to be the case that you're onto something here, as you mentioned, the auxiliary Introverted Judging function seems rigid and demanding. However, I don't see any reason why it should be rigid and demanding in defense of its own output rather than the defense of the output of its master-function: Ne.

    In other words, you're absolutely right that in this case the Ti and Fi can be terribly rigid or demanding (for example, the case of a mad scientist), but it demands support not for its own interests, but for those associated with Ne. Consider your example of a mad scientist who seems to fit the unhealthy ENTP image that you're describing. A person of this persona is almost never seen as a very dispassionate scholar who is concerned first and foremost with logical analysis, nor is he a systematic thinker. Hence, the attributes associated with somebody who is guided first and foremost by Ti are not descriptive of his habits of thought.

    In other words, he is nothing like a logician or a mathematician who may be very rigid, yet dispassionate and logically consistent. The mad scientist often makes wild speculations that almost nobody can understand or justify. His motives are far from dispassionate. On that note it seems far more plausible to say that this person is inspired by motives associated with Intuition rather than Thinking, and he certainly incorporates an element of Feeling into his disquisitions. If he was primarily relying on Thinking, Feeling would have been greatly suppressed, but that certainly isn't the case here.



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    However, I think you've gone wrong altogether by using the typological analysis to describe an unhealthy ENP. The way an unhealthy ENP would behave in daily scenarios would heavily depend on his or her circumstances. For instance, if he or she works for a corporation, regardless of how much he'd like to act like a mad scientist, he simply would not have a chance to.

    Although if this person does have an opportunity to be true to his natural dispositions, the typological analysis provided above applies.
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