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    I know NF's are always looking to the future of what could be. To me an SJ/NF relationship can be so amazing. One dreams and the other does. NF's have the ideas. SJ's have the tools to make them happen. Unfortunatley since they do not speak the same language it can cause failure before what could be can be realized.
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    Please expand!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    SJ's are logical and reasonable creatures, so be logical and flow step to step, and set a clear timeline.
    I can't speak for other SJ's but I am Intuitavely retarded. I need to see it to understand it. If it is an idea...........I need you to paint the picture through descriptiveness so I can see it in my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    Please expand!
    How so, specifically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4375 View Post
    I know NF's are always looking to the future of what could be. To me an SJ/NF relationship can be so amazing. One dreams and the other does. NF's have the ideas. SJ's have the tools to make them happen. Unfortunately since they do not speak the same language it can cause failure before what could be can be realized.
    The fact that you even recognize this is HUGE. Please spread the word to other SJs

    Edit: oh yeah, and how can you get SJs to take you seriously without having to take off your black nail polish and pink tights?
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

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    I am dating an NF so I am learning a lot. Plus fidelia is helping me understand her a little better too.
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    Hey I am married to an ESTJ so I totally concur! But I find he likes to focus on the concrete details, I perform all the tasks related to visualization and that includes planning.

    He asks me what needs doing, I tell him, he executes. Cool. Works for us.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Edit: oh yeah, and how can you get SJs to take you seriously without having to take off your black nail polish and pink tights?
    I have darkest violet nail polish on right now and black tights tho. He likes 'em.

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    Here is another thing I am learning. SJ's make a descion very quickly and stick with it. Most of the time it is the right descion. We just have a lot of confidence in our descion making abilities. I just learned NF's have to take a long time to process everything before they make their descion. It is not because they can't make descions. It is because they are perfectionists. Maybe it is out of fear of making a mistake. I can't answer that. You NF's will have to. Anyway SJ's get frustrated with this "appearance of lack of a descion-making" and give up.
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    I found that my ESTJ and I were a great team in many ways because I was the vision person and he was the practical details action person. I also have seen my parents work well together ISTJ/ENFJ, so I think there is a lot I can work with in that combo. It's just figuring out how to do it with SJs that I am not already close to.

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    I think patient SJ's are hard to find.
    I am male. Don't hold it against me.

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