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    I love cats and dogs.

    I'm really squeamish with a lot of other animals.

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    Sort of.

    I love my dog, but taking care of the physical needs of other living creatures is not something I particularly enjoy. My husband is probably the only exception, but he is a low-maintenance, easy to please INTP.

    Animals are lovable in many ways and some of the best 'people' I've known have been dogs, but they are a lot of work and a lot of the work is kinda gross.

    We currently have four pets and I do not plan on getting any more of them once these die, though I could see the possibility of one (grandchild friendly) dog when we are empty nesters.
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    I'm back!

    To answer the questions; my INFJ girlfriend of 6-7 years always asks me to promise her that we would get dogs and cats if and when we moved in together. I side-step it because I think it's rather silly to promise something so certain in the midst of such a vague future- it's kind of cute sometimes but it gets quite annoying when she keeps harping on it every so often!

    For the longest time I thought she was obsessed with getting an animal, but I asked her about it and she says she's obsessed with getting me to promise her that we'll get them. (Apparently, this is because she's always asked her parents and they always say no- and if we do move in together she'd get them anyway regardless of my stance on the matter- she just wants me to agree with her! What a stubborn cunt! <3)

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    So animals are likable because they are more straight-forward, honest, simple-minded and unlikely to harbor ulterior motives, right?

    By that reasoning, would it be inaccurate to suggest that "simple-minded" people (whether autistic, mentally retarded or otherwise) should subsequently be more likable as well? I mean, don't they technically make more loyal and honest friends? Think of characters like Christopher in The Curious Incident Of The Dog In The Night Time, Charly in Flowers For Algernon and Raymond Babbit in Rainman...

    So taking this line of (possibly faulty) reasoning, would it be wrong to call animal lovers who are uncomfortable dealing with autistic or mentally retarded people hypocrites? I don't think that "Animals and humans are different!" is a decent response, especially if you previously choose to blur the line between humans and animals (as I would) and value animals for their human-like attributes such as the ability to feel emotion, as a previous poster mentioned.

    I've diverged from the main point of the thread but I would love to hear your views on this as well; I think it's somewhat relevant (and at least interesting at worst)

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    They are another species that communicates in the most basic and important ways
    i love them much
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    Some. I like dogs because they are loyal. I like monkeys because they are smart. Cats are pretty much worthless unless you have an overabundance of mice or something. I think Dolphins are really inherently evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visaisahero View Post
    I'm back!

    To answer the questions; my INFJ girlfriend of 6-7 years always asks me to promise her that we would get dogs and cats if and when we moved in together. I side-step it because I think it's rather silly to promise something so certain in the midst of such a vague future- it's kind of cute sometimes but it gets quite annoying when she keeps harping on it every so often!

    For the longest time I thought she was obsessed with getting an animal, but I asked her about it and she says she's obsessed with getting me to promise her that we'll get them. (Apparently, this is because she's always asked her parents and they always say no- and if we do move in together she'd get them anyway regardless of my stance on the matter- she just wants me to agree with her! What a stubborn cunt! <3)
    This 100% sounds like something I would do, by the way. Have you seen Team America where the girl puppet makes the guy puppet promise that he will never die before she will have sex with him? And the man puppet just looks at her with a straight face and says "I promise, I will never die." Then they have sex. That is pretty much my relationship with my ENTP boyfriend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visaisahero View Post
    So animals are likable because they are more straight-forward, honest, simple-minded and unlikely to harbor ulterior motives, right?

    By that reasoning, would it be inaccurate to suggest that "simple-minded" people (whether autistic, mentally retarded or otherwise) should subsequently be more likable as well? I mean, don't they technically make more loyal and honest friends? Think of characters like Christopher in The Curious Incident Of The Dog In The Night Time, Charly in Flowers For Algernon and Raymond Babbit in Rainman...

    So taking this line of (possibly faulty) reasoning, would it be wrong to call animal lovers who are uncomfortable dealing with autistic or mentally retarded people hypocrites? I don't think that "Animals and humans are different!" is a decent response, especially if you previously choose to blur the line between humans and animals (as I would) and value animals for their human-like attributes such as the ability to feel emotion, as a previous poster mentioned.

    I've diverged from the main point of the thread but I would love to hear your views on this as well; I think it's somewhat relevant (and at least interesting at worst)
    Autistics are pretty cool. As the parent of two, though, I have to say I am a little nonplussed at the comparison, but then again, it's probably a comparison Temple Grandin would make, so what can I say?

    I am not uncomfortable around autistics that function at at least moderate level, nor am I uncomfortable around people with mild to moderate mental retardation. I prefer the human specimens because they are more likely to be self-sufficient less likely to relieve themselves in inconvenient places.

    Profoundly retarded/low-functioning autistic could be hard to deal with because basic life/communication skills would be lacking. But I don't consider myself an animal lover and I have mixed feelings about people, so I guess that lets me out of that particular brand of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Autistics are pretty cool. As the parent of two, though, I have to say I am a little nonplussed at the comparison, but then again, it's probably a comparison Temple Grandin would make, so what can I say?
    It is an uncomfortable comparison I admit, but I must emphasize that I do so only in the spirit of discussion and intend no offence whatsoever.

    There are two ways of looking at it- If you hold animals in high regard and believe that their loyalty, honesty and other positive traits make them "superior" to run-of-the-mill human beings (who are disloyal, dishonest, etc etc), then the comparison should logically be considered a positive one. Alternatively, if you consider animals to be inferior, simplistic, inhuman, etc- then the comparison may appear insulting or offensive.

    The interesting situation is when, for example, one holds animals in high regard, but views the comparison negatively- that's when an inconsistency (or sublime complexity) in his/her psyche is revealed. I think a lot of it has to do with our language itself- the term 'animal' when used to describe a human being traditionally has strong negative connotations.

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