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    The below technique seems to call up Fe, at least for an ENFP.

    It may be of most value to those who have Te rage, overwhelming Fi emotional pain and fluctuation, or Fi users who suffer from chronic fatigue, chronic pain or autoimmune disorders.

    I am content to think thoughts in my head. I cringe at sharing this.

    I suspect Fe users have increased basal cortisol levels relative to Fi users.

    1. Relax your face.
    2. Release tension (Te for an ENFP)
    3. Construct a mask.
    a. Make a fake smile. Only your mouth. Only a very slight smile. Too much will be tiring. Intentionally relax the muscles around your eyes. The eyes are very important. Real smiles use the ocular muscles.
    b. Fix the mask. Let it gently respond, but only very slightly. Your eyes are free to move. Your mask/eye muscles are not. Donít move your brow, donít tense your eye muscles, little movement of the smile.
    c. Mentally detach your mind from the mask. Your mind is free to think anything. Your mask must not move in response. It is a barrier.
    d. Your thoughts are not your mask.
    4. Construct a mental mantra to remind you to not allow the other to see your pain. Even if you scream in emotional agony internally, do not allow the mask to change.
    5. Do this for several days. Constant.

    The first day was emotionally painful and confusing, nonauthentic. On the second day the internal pain was gone. A sense of relaxation and calmness permeated. By the third day I did not need to smile anymore. Instead just maintain the mask. By the fourth day the mental state flowed very naturally and is pervasive.

    By the second week I can call the mental state of Fe calmness/affection when needed. Fi is very quiet but peeks up now and then. It can be called it on demand or quelled. Te quibbles with Fe. It is marked by a mild increase in anxiety as it surfaces. Ne has become Ni, although I really am uncertain what to do with it.

    My hope is this is of value to a few.

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    Why? Why do you want Fe and Ni vs Ne and Fi? And is that really what you're doing?

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    do you find doing this helpful for you? Arent you in sales or marketing for a technical company as a technical person, hence your meeting, and needing to "impress" in a sales sense, lots of people?

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    I'm not really understanding how this relates to developing Fe. Does contorting your face into fake smile make you Fe proficient or are you talking about "fake it till you make it"?
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Perhaps this should be titled "How to fake the physical appearance of Fe as may be needed or required at work or the social world"??? "Socially getting by: appearances/illusions of Fe display"???

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    Second thoughts on your post.

    I think I see what you're getting at. Are you trying to map a way to neutralize your own emotions in order to be more receptive to those of others? It's like having two stereos on blast; you're trying to turn down one in order to hear the other?

    1. Relax your face.
    2. Release tension (Te for an ENFP)
    3. Construct a mask.
    a. Make a fake smile. Only your mouth. Only a very slight smile. Too much will be tiring. Intentionally relax the muscles around your eyes. The eyes are very important. Real smiles use the ocular muscles.
    b. Fix the mask. Let it gently respond, but only very slightly. Your eyes are free to move. Your mask/eye muscles are not. Donít move your brow, donít tense your eye muscles, little movement of the smile.
    c. Mentally detach your mind from the mask. Your mind is free to think anything. Your mask must not move in response. It is a barrier.
    OK, I definitely get this part. I was actually thinking about this earlier today in the form of body language, how in order to control or be aware of your own personal body language as a possible communication barrier with others. Like scrunching your nose or exhaling heavily when you're telling someone you agree with them. Your words are saying one thing but your body language is saying another.
    d. Your thoughts are not your mask. Yes
    4. Construct a mental mantra to remind you to not allow the other to see your pain. Even if you scream in emotional agony internally, do not allow the mask to change.
    5. Do this for several days. Constant.

    The first day was emotionally painful and confusing, nonauthentic. On the second day the internal pain was gone. A sense of relaxation and calmness permeated. By the third day I did not need to smile anymore. Instead just maintain the mask. By the fourth day the mental state flowed very naturally and is pervasive. I don't know about this part.

    By the second week I can call the mental state of Fe calmness/affection when needed. Fi is very quiet but peeks up now and then. It can be called it on demand or quelled. Te quibbles with Fe. It is marked by a mild increase in anxiety as it surfaces. Ne has become Ni, although I really am uncertain what to do with it.

    My hope is this is of value to a few. I think I understand now.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
    Interpersonal Communication Theories and Concepts
    Social Penetration Theory 1
    Social Penetration Theory 2
    Social Penetration Theory 3

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    The second step of the procedure is to be completed months after step 1 is begun, for it is the natural extension of so high cost a project.

    Step 2: lay demolition charges at every foundation point of the headquarters building. Float along on feelings of goodwill and freedom, smiling at every ENTP you meet knowing deep in your heart that you can and will send them all to hell with just the slightest squeeze of the remote trigger you carry in your pocket. They will smile in return and love you. And then start picking apart your relaxed state. Boom.


    Step 3 includes remarriage, possibly from prison.
    Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated, meant, "This is extremely unusual."

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    I think I understand now.
    Teehee
    "In order for the light to shine so brightly, the darkness must be present." -Francis Bacon

    "No matter how dark the moment, love and hope are always possible." -George Chakiris

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    An alternative before reaching the Fight Club stage of the project is to realise that you don't actually like ENTPs. They make you feel weak and stupid. They don't intended to, but that's the way it works out because Ti is far more pure a truth seeking function even though it's exhausting and takes like ten times longer than Te, and they're so well versed in it they're not going to accept Te conclusions anyway, and to top it all off, there's the damn thing about how you can't make an emotional connection either because their Fe mostly works in letting them know what they DON'T want and doesn't let them recognise Fi.

    I'm started finding it much easier to think of Fe as being like Te. Users seek an acknowledged order in the outside world and they know the difference between this and that action because it makes them feel things! They're directive and assertive and create environments because they really do feel the results of those things. That stuff about smiling to make others smile, that really does feel right to them. And in that realm they have their own quests for authenticity too, for when those smiles are not just real but also true.

    They're freaks. You're a freak. Fe users will let you get away with the grimaces for a while because they're too polite to call you on it directly, they don't even know how. It'd be rude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    The below technique seems to call up Fe, at least for an ENFP.

    It may be of most value to those who have Te rage, overwhelming Fi emotional pain and fluctuation, or Fi users who suffer from chronic fatigue, chronic pain or autoimmune disorders.

    I am content to think thoughts in my head. I cringe at sharing this.

    I suspect Fe users have increased basal cortisol levels relative to Fi users.

    1. Relax your face.
    2. Release tension (Te for an ENFP)
    3. Construct a mask.
    a. Make a fake smile. Only your mouth. Only a very slight smile. Too much will be tiring. Intentionally relax the muscles around your eyes. The eyes are very important. Real smiles use the ocular muscles.
    b. Fix the mask. Let it gently respond, but only very slightly. Your eyes are free to move. Your mask/eye muscles are not. Donít move your brow, donít tense your eye muscles, little movement of the smile.
    c. Mentally detach your mind from the mask. Your mind is free to think anything. Your mask must not move in response. It is a barrier.
    d. Your thoughts are not your mask.
    4. Construct a mental mantra to remind you to not allow the other to see your pain. Even if you scream in emotional agony internally, do not allow the mask to change.
    5. Do this for several days. Constant.

    The first day was emotionally painful and confusing, nonauthentic. On the second day the internal pain was gone. A sense of relaxation and calmness permeated. By the third day I did not need to smile anymore. Instead just maintain the mask. By the fourth day the mental state flowed very naturally and is pervasive.

    By the second week I can call the mental state of Fe calmness/affection when needed. Fi is very quiet but peeks up now and then. It can be called it on demand or quelled. Te quibbles with Fe. It is marked by a mild increase in anxiety as it surfaces. Ne has become Ni, although I really am uncertain what to do with it.

    My hope is this is of value to a few.

    How in God's name does this help one to develop Fe? It just sounds like what you have to do when you work in customer service, which I already do.

    I do not think this helps people to develop Fe.

    I think that Fe, for me at least, is genuinely caring enough about other people to change your behavior in a given situation. For example, acting different around old people, or at church. I tend to behave differently around people I know who won't understand my real opinions, and I just behave the way I know they want me to. I do have the ability to change myself to what other people need, and to let it roll off of me. That's just how I was raised.

    Sometimes I honestly want to nurture or take care of other people, but I don't think that's necessarily Fe. I think I made a conscious choice to develop my Fi as a teenager because I got sick of being around fakey-nice Southern people who were two-faced and inauthentic. I also saw people who were Fe dominant (or auxillary) get stepped on and used, and it bothered me.

    I don't know. I don't think you can develop Fe by making facial expressions, unless this is a joke. I think Fe requires actually caring enough about conforming to standards of behavior to keep the peace.

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