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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Where ever you go, there you are.
    What's the point of even moving if you are constantly at terms with yourself?

    It's like a hamster running in a wheel. It's redundant and useless.

    But life has uses! It is a rare opportunity to learn and experience!

    There are so many senseless contradictions here.

    I think the point I'm trying to make is.... Meh. What's the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    What's the point of even moving if you are constantly at terms with yourself?

    It's like a hamster running in a wheel. It's redundant and useless.

    But life has uses! It is a rare opportunity to learn and experience!

    There are so many senseless contradictions here.

    I think the point I'm trying to make is.... Meh. What's the point.
    Well, just remember you're not alone. I won't venture to say that all people go through this, but I think most or at least many do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    What's the point of even moving if you are constantly at terms with yourself?

    It's like a hamster running in a wheel. It's redundant and useless.

    But life has uses! It is a rare opportunity to learn and experience!

    There are so many senseless contradictions here.

    I think the point I'm trying to make is.... Meh. What's the point.
    Don't you think it's awfully arrogant of you to demand that life have purpose? I mean, why is it so important to you that there BE a point?

    The thing is, we're here, whether we have a purpose or not. So you should do what pleases you. If pretending improving some random ability from time to time is important is what it takes, go for it. If it's indulging in sensual pleasures, go for it. If it's constantly researching whatever peaks your curiosity with no intention of doing anything with that knowledge, go for it. If it's volunteering and making other people smile that makes you happy, go for it. If you want to become rich and powerful, go for it. If you want to be a criminal and find ways to elude the police, go for it.

    A lack of purpose is freedom, not meaninglessness.

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    Well why not sit in a chair all day like Descartes... You're not stuck with only you when you're experiencing other places and people.
    ~ Truth ~ Freedom ~ Health ~ Love ~ Communication ~ Humor ~ Respect ~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Don't you think it's awfully arrogant of you to demand that life have purpose? I mean, why is it so important to you that there BE a point?

    The thing is, we're here, whether we have a purpose or not. So you should do what pleases you. If pretending improving some random ability from time to time is important is what it takes, go for it. If it's indulging in sensual pleasures, go for it. If it's constantly researching whatever peaks your curiosity with no intention of doing anything with that knowledge, go for it. If it's volunteering and making other people smile that makes you happy, go for it. If it's becoming rich and powerful that you want, go for it.

    A lack of purpose is freedom, not meaninglessness.
    Amen brother.
    ~ Truth ~ Freedom ~ Health ~ Love ~ Communication ~ Humor ~ Respect ~

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    Quote Originally Posted by BerberElla View Post
    Because they tell you a part of you is over-rated?

    Idealist opens thread, gets told to accept themself, then gets told idealism is over-rated.
    What can you expect from a thread in which there is no NTs ?


    To be honest I like conflict. (verbal conflict)

    Actually questioning other people motives and beliefs is about what my personality is all about.
    As a person I am not afraid to actaully "attack" another person. Actually I can't even remember how many times I have been called rude in my life. Also my Jness and unspontaneousness have developed so well exactly because I have to censorship myself so that I don't cause "damadge" if I really don't need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Well, just remember you're not alone. I won't venture to say that all people go through this, but I think most or at least many do.
    I came to grips with the fact that life is redundant and twisted a long time ago.

    But I want to improve myself because myself the only thing I'll ever truly have while I'm alive.

    My idealism is crushed - time after time- without falter.

    But that still leaves the questions of whether self-censorship is a good thing. Surely, the U.S. government made an effort to rid itself of the public stifling that occurred in Europe, but that was just a lost cause.

    Why was it a lost cause? Did our insecurity shatter our willingness to maintain our integrity? Did we ever even have the intention of being integral?

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    I have never in my life been so grateful to be so clueless.

    My clueless, non-self-reflective ass is going to go into the kitchen and get some cookies, and then I'm going to watch some Star Trek and drink some whiskey.

    I think I like my brain better than yours.

    How the hell can you people even function with all that self-doubt?

    I mean, I like how cuddly you guys are, but OMG--I'd rather be stabbed in the butt with fork tines once a day than always be questioning my place in the universe.

    I KNOW my place. I am awesome and full of nifty logic to use and disseminate amongst my fellows. Seriously...for the first time ever I wouldn't trade my inability to relate well to lots and lots of people for your abilities, if they come with all that existential anxiety.

    I think you guys need this more than me:

    There. You can have some of them back.

    Go watch some Star Trek. It will make you feel much better. Really. Also, cookies are good.
    Personally, *I* think I'm hysterically funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranky View Post
    I have never in my life been so grateful to be so clueless.

    My clueless, non-self-reflective ass is going to go into the kitchen and get some cookies, and then I'm going to watch some Star Trek and drink some whiskey.

    I think I like my brain better than yours.

    How the hell can you people even function with all that self-doubt?

    I mean, I like how cuddly you guys are, but OMG--I'd rather be stabbed in the butt with fork tines once a day than always be questioning my place in the universe.

    I KNOW my place. I am awesome and full of nifty logic to use and disseminate amongst my fellows. Seriously...for the first time ever I wouldn't trade my inability to relate well to lots and lots of people for your abilities, if they come with all that existential anxiety.

    I think you guys need this more than me:

    There. You can have some of them back.

    Go watch some Star Trek. It will make you feel much better. Really. Also, cookies are good.
    I love INTJs.

    They're totally self-centered... and it's AWESOME to live vicariously through them.

    If only things could be that simple for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    I came to grips with the fact that life is redundant and twisted a long time ago.

    But I want to improve myself because myself the only thing I'll ever truly have while I'm alive.

    My idealism is crushed - time after time- without falter.

    But that still leaves the questions of whether self-censorship is a good thing. Surely, the U.S. government made an effort to rid itself of the public stifling that occurred in Europe, but that was just a lost cause.

    Why was it a lost cause? Did our insecurity shatter our willingness to maintain our integrity? Did we ever even have the intention of being integral?
    On the topic of self-censorship...I'm actually a rather blunt NFP. I'm not really big on self-censorship. The only reason I ever even practice it is because I respect, like, or love other people. Sometimes I do self-censorship just to save myself the hassle of having to deal with someone's reaction. But usually I'm not a fan of self-censorship, no. My one tattoo is a lizard with a Mandarin symbol that means "sincere." It's a tangible reference to my strong feelings on the matter. So I guess what I'm saying is don't censor yourself unless you get to a point where you're just brutalizing others for no reason. There's a balance. And it's okay to go from one extreme to the other temporarily in seeking that balance.

    Also, I don't necessarily agree with this poster's manner of telling you this, but I do agree that sometimes cookies and DVDs are the way to go. Sometimes you just have to enjoy your life. You're here.

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