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    Quote Originally Posted by allie bug View Post
    how does this differ from an INFJ? Or rather, what type would you think this is associated with?
    The having-numerous-exciting-ideas/plans-at-once-but-not-taking-a-step-at-any sounds very much NP. I know that's a big difference I note between my xNxP friends and myself...they are brimming with random ideas and seem super gung-ho on one or many, but it's like they just revel in the idea process. I've learned not to even take the majority of their ideas or temporary excitement seriously, because they'll just have an entirely different idea the next day.

    NFJ (NJ) hones in on things and once they've found something they're excited about, tend to go for it 100%. At least, that's my thought on it. Now the *process* of honing in/discovering what they want to go for might take a long time, but once they figure it out, they'll follow through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    The having-numerous-exciting-ideas/plans-at-once-but-not-taking-a-step-at-any sounds very much NP. I know that's a big difference I note between my xNxP friends and myself...they are brimming with random ideas and seem super gung-ho on one or many, but it's like they just revel in the idea process. I've learned not to even take the majority of their ideas or temporary excitement seriously, because they'll just have an entirely different idea the next day.

    NFJ (NJ) hones in on things and once they've found something they're excited about, tend to go for it 100%. At least, that's my thought on it. Now the *process* of honing in/discovering what they want to go for might take a long time, but once they figure it out, they'll follow through.
    Maybe I am less Ne than my INFP-compatriots, or perhaps I use Ne more for coming up with wacky things to say as unexpected jokes, or maybe I use Ne more for internal brainstorming about how things COULD be, but some of us do actually make and then follow through on our plans, thank you very much.

    Perhaps I should open the doors of "Scott's personal school of self-discipline" to these other INFP's to "help" [ ] them on their execution and follow-through... "See this zen stick, I beat you with it when your not adequately focused enough". Seriously though, Zen does have that, the kyosaku [sp?] ie "motivation stick", but personally 1) getting smacked doesn't help me focus any better [in fact its VERY distracting ], and 2) I intrinsically don't like hitting people/living beings . But, I like to think, it does sometimes make for a funny joke/comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by allie bug View Post
    how does this differ from an INFJ? Or rather, what type would you think this is associated with?
    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    The having-numerous-exciting-ideas/plans-at-once-but-not-taking-a-step-at-any sounds very much NP. I know that's a big difference I note between my xNxP friends and myself...they are brimming with random ideas and seem super gung-ho on one or many, but it's like they just revel in the idea process. I've learned not to even take the majority of their ideas or temporary excitement seriously, because they'll just have an entirely different idea the next day.

    NFJ (NJ) hones in on things and once they've found something they're excited about, tend to go for it 100%. At least, that's my thought on it. Now the *process* of honing in/discovering what they want to go for might take a long time, but once they figure it out, they'll follow through.
    Cascade said it all. And well said cascade.

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    ^ thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post
    Maybe I am less Ne than my INFP-compatriots, or perhaps I use Ne more for coming up with wacky things to say as unexpected jokes, or maybe I use Ne more for internal brainstorming about how things COULD be, but some of us do actually make and then follow through on our plans, thank you very much.
    Oh, pffph.

    Note it's an NP thing; not specific to INFP! And I never said the NP's don't, or can't follow through.

    Ultimately it's a difference in externalizing, and differing styles/motivations for communication. And again it's something I've only gradually picked up on over time. The NP's I know talk about things they're contemplating - their idea process is externalized. I used to actually think if they said they thought they were going to do X, Y, or Z, that they really planned on doing it. But I didn't realize that they themselves hadn't cemented things yet, and they were still in the brainstorming process. Whereas I, when I say I'm thinking of doing something, it's almost 100% guaranteed that I am going to do it, because if I get to the point where I'm actually externalizing it, to other people, it's almost always a sure thing. And if I'm uncertain about something, it'll be obvious I'm uncertain, as I'll make it a point to state my uncertainties and will solicit feedback from others if I want it.

    My brainstorming process is 100% internal....NP's appears to be external (moreso), that's all. And the 'mistake' would be for me to project my own self onto them...meaning, making the erronoeous assumption that if they're saying they think they'll do X, Y, or Z, that they actually will. Because it's simply not the case, much of the time, with the NP's I'm well acquainted with. And that's no judgment against them, it's simply a different method of processing. (and it's much more obvious with ENxP's)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    ^ thank you!



    Oh, pffph.

    Note it's an NP thing; not specific to INFP! And I never said the NP's don't, or can't follow through.

    Ultimately it's a difference in externalizing, and differing styles/motivations for communication. And again it's something I've only gradually picked up on over time. My NP's talk about things they're contemplating - their idea process is externalized. I used to actually think if they said they thought they were going to do X, Y, or Z, that they really planned on doing it. But I didn't realize that they themselves hadn't cemented things yet, and they were still in the brainstorming process. Whereas I, when I say I'm thinking of doing something, it's almost 100% guaranteed that I am going to do it, because if I get to the point where I'm actually externalizing it, to other people, it's almost always a sure thing. And if I'm uncertain about something, it'll be obvious I'm uncertain, as I'll make it a point to state my uncertainties and will solicit feedback from others if I want it.

    My brainstorming process is 100% internal....NP's appears to be external, that's all. And the 'mistake' would be for me to project my own self onto them...meaning, making the erronoeous assumption that if they're saying they think they'll do X, Y, or Z, that they actually will.
    Let me profess my ignorance on this topic: what does pffph stand for??? please f f p h

    Really, have most of the NP's that you two have met really been that ?flighty? ??? Changing their mind the next day, really? Hmmm, maybe its my being-around-the-military background, but for me my internal process is actually very similar to yours Cascade. Personally, IME, E(N)_P's are the ones who don't seem to stay focused on anything for more than like 15 minutes... I must say that I haven't actually met THAT many INFP's myself...

    I do have lots of daydreams about stuff though...:rolli: But usually if I am talking about those I say something like "It would be so cool to ___" or "Ooh, I'd love to ___ someday!" or "it would be nice to ___".

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    No, I would agree with Cascadeco on that. Scott, I don't think it's that NPs are flighty. I think it's more that they tend to talk aloud more when formulating ideas than NJs tend to.

    Most people have lots of ideas, some of which they keep and some of which they discard. I think that NPs are more likely to verbalize more of them before culling them out, while NJs are likely to cull before verbalizing. I used to want to spring into action, or rearrange my head around one of my NP friend's stated ideas, assuming that if verbalized he had already thought it out and was stating what he really wanted to do. Then by the next day everything was changed. Similarly, he didn't always realize that if I verbalized something, I was verbalizing a thought out preference for it, not just throwing out possibilities.

    If I have thoughts on something for a thread, I'll make sure that I know what I think about it, have read some of the responses of other people, can anticipate some of the turns the conversation may take, and my stance on the other issues the conversation may bring up. I'll also make sure I know what I want to say before posting anything. This is why I tend to have longer posts and on a narrower range of topics than some people.

    One my problems with this process is that sometimes I have spent a lot of time arranging everything in a structure in my head and thinking it out. When someone presents me with an idea, I may be more likely to be closed to it. New information or possibilities require me to find a place for it within my present structure, or start from scratch and reintegrate it. I want to be sure it's worth integrating before doing all that work. NPs, on the other hand, are more likely to be open to hearing possibilities because they have not yet made a final framework that it has to fit into. At least that's my way of seeing it.

    One of the advantages to this way of working though is that because we've become quite invested in whatever idea we've spent so much time on, we are also more likely to carry through on putting it into action. There can be downsides (like if we are ignoring the practicality of doing this, or not taking other perspectives into account), but I think it is also one of the reasons why we tend to excell at behind the scenes influence in an organization. We have grown to care about the work to be done from a personal standpoint, which gives us the push to make it happen.

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    Ok, so clearly the consensus here is that NP's, and hence INFP's, tend to verbalize brainstorming more. This INFP tends to do that much less, and I haven't really met a whole lot of other INFP's in my life, so I will defer to the experience of others...

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    I'm with you Scott. I have a lot of ideas, but once I set my mind to one, I follow through. Nearly everything I have committed myself to, I have accomplished. I absolutely do not verbalize all or even most of my fleeting ideas; thoughts come out finished and complete most of the time. INFPs are introverts. I don't think outloud . That may be true for Ne-doms, but not INFPs. I am extremely private about my ideas and plans.

    I do agree that having a lot of ideas at once is very NP, but it's simply a matter of narrowing it down before we act. And you're unlikely to hear those ideas from an INFP until they are quite close to deciding to act on it.


    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    No, I would agree with Cascadeco on that. Scott, I don't think it's that NPs are flighty. I think it's more that they tend to talk aloud more when formulating ideas than NJs tend to.

    Most people have lots of ideas, some of which they keep and some of which they discard. I think that NPs are more likely to verbalize more of them before culling them out, while NJs are likely to cull before verbalizing. I used to want to spring into action, or rearrange my head around one of my NP friend's stated ideas, assuming that if verbalized he had already thought it out and was stating what he really wanted to do. Then by the next day everything was changed. Similarly, he didn't always realize that if I verbalized something, I was verbalizing a thought out preference for it, not just throwing out possibilities.

    If I have thoughts on something for a thread, I'll make sure that I know what I think about it, have read some of the responses of other people, can anticipate some of the turns the conversation may take, and my stance on the other issues the conversation may bring up. I'll also make sure I know what I want to say before posting anything. This is why I tend to have longer posts and on a narrower range of topics than some people.

    One my problems with this process is that sometimes I have spent a lot of time arranging everything in a structure in my head and thinking it out. When someone presents me with an idea, I may be more likely to be closed to it. New information or possibilities require me to find a place for it within my present structure, or start from scratch and reintegrate it. I want to be sure it's worth integrating before doing all that work. NPs, on the other hand, are more likely to be open to hearing possibilities because they have not yet made a final framework that it has to fit into. At least that's my way of seeing it.

    One of the advantages to this way of working though is that because we've become quite invested in whatever idea we've spent so much time on, we are also more likely to carry through on putting it into action. There can be downsides (like if we are ignoring the practicality of doing this, or not taking other perspectives into account), but I think it is also one of the reasons why we tend to excell at behind the scenes influence in an organization. We have grown to care about the work to be done from a personal standpoint, which gives us the push to make it happen.
    What you're saying applies to Ne-doms, but INFP are Fi-doms, and we are dominant judgers who probably have a more rigid framework of values and ideas than you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    The having-numerous-exciting-ideas/plans-at-once-but-not-taking-a-step-at-any sounds very much NP. I know that's a big difference I note between my xNxP friends and myself...they are brimming with random ideas and seem super gung-ho on one or many, but it's like they just revel in the idea process. I've learned not to even take the majority of their ideas or temporary excitement seriously, because they'll just have an entirely different idea the next day.

    NFJ (NJ) hones in on things and once they've found something they're excited about, tend to go for it 100%. At least, that's my thought on it. Now the *process* of honing in/discovering what they want to go for might take a long time, but once they figure it out, they'll follow through.
    This is true. I might have many things on the back burner that I wish I had time for, but tend to choose the most important and give it the focus. I have many roads left untraveled leaving me with a sense of empty nostalgia, but one road that is thoroughly traveled and embraced. The others are left nearly abandoned because I don't have time to fully explore it and do it justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edasich View Post
    ahaha, you actually sat there reading??
    Yep. Usually if I have one I will escape to a room and read alone (if I'm feeling bored or annoyed with people) but I've read on couches next to drunk guys and whatnot before. It's usually because I'm waiting for a friend to be ready to leave or something.

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