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    pretty much...if i'm going to do something i want it to be done just right or i'll just put it off until i know i can do it better.
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    I think most, if not all, ENFP's are perfectionists. Myself included.
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    i don't think people get that though...because the things we may be concerned with being right...are not necessarily the same things they are focusing on...you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i don't think people get that though...because the things we may be concerned with being right...are not necessarily the same things they are focusing on...you know?
    Exactly! I was always told I was unmotivated and lazy, which was so far from the truth. My focus, intense at that, was just in places that the people around me rarely valued. So my desire to "achieve" went largely unnoticed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i want it to be done just right or i'll just put it off until i know i can do it better.
    I do not feel incapable of doing things, but I have trouble finding the time to devote to projects that I feel they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamp View Post
    I do not feel incapable of doing things, but I have trouble finding the time to devote to projects that I feel they deserve.
    well yeah...i partly mean that too...like damn i need to do this but don't want to rush it...so i'll wait because i can do it better when i have more time.
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    ^ yeah that is exactly me, I was responding more to Fer's 'fear of failure', though now that I reread it looks due to lack of time/info, and not actual ability

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    I have recently started reading about the enneagram and I believe I am a 5; often I feel I need to do more research to be sure I am making the 'best' choice, to be sure I am getting into what I think I am getting into.

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    is that a 5 thing? i am big on researching everything too so i know what all the options are...it is crazy how much time i can rationalize devoting to research to make a damn decision...but if i don't...i always worry i made the wrong one.
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    As I understand, fives seek to understand things, in hope that they can become more competent. Sevens seek to try lots of things, in hope that they will find what they really want.

    Type seven is pretty common for the Ne and Se users, so it is possible I am mistaking myself for a five.

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    I think it needs to be pointed out that Perfection is an illusion. An impossible standard. A great way to drive yourself insane. I'm such a J, that I'm going to have a hard time understanding a lot of you "P"s. I thought Perfectionism was a J trait. J's usually are very goal oriented with very high standards. I know that I would get frustrated with myself if I thought I wasn't putting enough effort into something, because I set impossibly high standards for myself. I was the kind of kid who would get a 97% on a test and obsess about the 3 questions I got wrong instead of the 97 I got right. I wouldn't give myself enough credit.

    I thought P's didn't care enough to be perfectionists. They seem so easy-going and flexible, that I could see them going "That's good enough."

    I think the problem is that since P's aren't goal-oriented, they don't know what they want. They do know what they don't want or like, and that's where the perfectionism comes in. And since they can't motivate themselves the way J's can, they stop. They don't have the will-power to push themselves through to the end. Once the inspiration is gone, the action is gone, and they move on to something else, and the cycle repeats. This can also be attributed to their impulsivity.

    Any thoughts?

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