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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    I've taken two tests and came out as a 2w1 so/sx/sp and a 2 with balanced wings and sp as primary variant. I really don't know.
    my impression of 1 is of judginess and perfectionism and having great difficulty accepting the world as it is, always wantin to change it. i find 1w2 to have some of the most intense energy of any enneagram type. 2 i generally find to be far less self-aware and self-analytical, because it is so focused on others. 9w1s have a similar orientation, yet they are more aware of the relationship between themselves and others as they try to find a place in which they can assert themselves and at times must get in touch with their own desires. (i feel like this makes them more observant of relationships, whereas 2s would just roll up their sleeves and try to BE helpful. this is constrasted to 9s project of understanding/compassion as a form of love and healing vs the 2s immediate ACTION and work). both types under stress feel totally unappreciated and can get very passive aggressive, but 2s i think are a bit more hysterical. 2s will demand more, all of a sudden, whereas 9s will start to aggressively TAKE< which is shockingly different than their normal attitudes (esp 9w1). if you learn more or are interested, i would love to hear about it. you seem obviously different from me and it gives you a different vantage point to create insights (which i have constantly found very interesting to read!).

    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Yeah you are
    i see too much precision for an enfp, definitely more entp. i get way more Ti Fe than Fi Te. doesn't seem like a long-range schemer and emotional harmonizer so much as an in-the-moment game-player and analytical marketer. an unconscious sense of emotional anticipation rather than a conscious empathy. synarchs sentence construction is always so fucking precise, i just see more focus and less hazy holism. 7w6 makes people nice. F types rarely know where they're going when they speak, they lack direction comparatively with entp and intj types (which is why i always have to go to the writing center and have entps and intjs teach me how to write papers).

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    Oh, Synarch is definitely ENTP, most assuredly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    i see too much precision for an enfp, definitely more entp. i get way more Ti Fe than Fi Te. doesn't seem like a long-range schemer and emotional harmonizer so much as an in-the-moment game-player and analytical marketer. an unconscious sense of emotional anticipation rather than a conscious empathy. synarchs sentence construction is always so fucking precise, i just see more focus and less hazy holism. 7w6 makes people nice. F types rarely know where they're going when they speak, they lack direction comparatively with entp and intj types (which is why i always have to go to the writing center and have entps and intjs teach me how to write papers).
    I like reading your shit. Thank you.

    1. Explain how being 7w6 makes people nice.
    2. Interesting point about the writing. I have been told I am a good editor because I can be ruthless about what to cut. When I write I think about what I am trying to push forward. What does not serve this "pushing forward" is carved out.

    I have become more concise over time because I learned that stating something clearly is difficult. To be able to communicate, you have to crystallize the idea inside yourself. Holding the crystallized idea as you give birth to it in words requires focus.

    Even when I write here, I write what I want to say then I go back and cut and reword to make it more metaphorical, concise, and neat.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanveane View Post
    Oh, Synarch is definitely ENTP, most assuredly.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Yeah you are

    of course I would!
    That is your way of getting my attention.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    my impression of 1 is of judginess and perfectionism and having great difficulty accepting the world as it is, always wantin to change it. i find 1w2 to have some of the most intense energy of any enneagram type. 2 i generally find to be far less self-aware and self-analytical, because it is so focused on others. 9w1s have a similar orientation, yet they are more aware of the relationship between themselves and others as they try to find a place in which they can assert themselves and at times must get in touch with their own desires. (i feel like this makes them more observant of relationships, whereas 2s would just roll up their sleeves and try to BE helpful. this is constrasted to 9s project of understanding/compassion as a form of love and healing vs the 2s immediate ACTION and work). both types under stress feel totally unappreciated and can get very passive aggressive, but 2s i think are a bit more hysterical. 2s will demand more, all of a sudden, whereas 9s will start to aggressively TAKE< which is shockingly different than their normal attitudes (esp 9w1). if you learn more or are interested, i would love to hear about it. you seem obviously different from me and it gives you a different vantage point to create insights (which i have constantly found very interesting to read!).
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    Thanks State! Any insights you have would be interesting. I know that under stress I sometimes feel unappreciated, but the aggressively taking part sounds foreign to me. I get much blunter or emotional than I would be normally. I have been surprised how much variation there seems to be amongst INFJs. I feel quite sure that I am one, identify with parts of many INFJ posts, but also sometimes feel like I'm coming from a different vantage point sometimes. Do you think you could be one enneagram type and yet have it look different than someone else due to environmental factors?

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    I can see how there could be something wonderful between INFJ <---> ENFP or INFJ <---> ENTP. Yeah, I could see that.

    INTP <---> ENFP works really well, too, ironically...especially with decent p/j balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    I can see how there could be something wonderful between INFJ <---> ENFP or INFJ <---> ENTP. Yeah, I could see that.
    Speaking from personal experience I take it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by finalfantasy View Post
    I would like to get as many inputs as possible from you guys.

    Socionics states that duality is the most rewarding relationship because it satisfies both partners' needs for completeness. Stages in this relationship also vary from being shaky to unbreakable (ONLY if there are mutual attractions and both partners have the same goals in life). I've met some ESTJs throughout my life, but they just don't seem to notice my presence (the introvert dual is supposed to fade in the background).

    Regarding the ENFP: I LOVE ENFPs. I adore ENFPs. It's been my dream to end up with one, be it friendship or family life. I wish there could be more. But the 2 ENFPs that I met seemed very....distant. I even showed them my sincere intention to be friends. But oh well, maybe other ENFPs can explain about this, not just for romantic relationships but friendships as well.
    I can still see how loving ENFPs are. They think far ahead and use feelings when making decisions, which can be seen as irrational. However, those are what make them dedicated to their relationships.

    Your comments are appreciated. Thanks!
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    I don't know any INFJ men, so I can't speak about romantic chemistry, but my MIL is an INFJ. We almost always get along, but we annoy the hell out of each other sometimes. I "get" her, and I'm sure she "gets" me too, but it's funny between us. She has a tendency to be extremely negative sometimes and I can feel that negativity all too well. As a result, I kinda dip in and out of close emotional interactions with her.

    As for ENFPs in relationships, I agree that we shy away from people the closer we get to them. Well, I do. If I really like someone, that's when I start to fade a little bit. If I can tell another person likes me, oh jeez, then I really back off. In that way, we don't exactly communicate what we feel in the beginning of a relationship, especially if our feelings are potentially serious. So yea, it's not necessarily a bad sign if an ENFP distances themselves from you a bit. You may have to spell it all out for them so that they trust your intentions.

    Once I'm in a relationship, including a friendship, I'm in it to win it. I try to give my all with the expectation that it's forever. I don't half ass relationships of any kind because I take such a long time to get into them in the first place. Once I let someone in, it takes me a long time to turn off to them, which occurs when I realize that my needs are not a priority and that I am not recognized as an individual.

    From relationship satisfaction surveys that I've read, statistically, NFs are happiest when they are with other NFs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    I like reading your shit. Thank you.

    1. Explain how being 7w6 makes people nice.
    2. Interesting point about the writing. I have been told I am a good editor because I can be ruthless about what to cut. When I write I think about what I am trying to push forward. What does not serve this "pushing forward" is carved out.

    I have become more concise over time because I learned that stating something clearly is difficult. To be able to communicate, you have to crystallize the idea inside yourself. Holding the crystallized idea as you give birth to it in words requires focus.

    Even when I write here, I write what I want to say then I go back and cut and reword to make it more metaphorical, concise, and neat.
    the latter part is just what dominant intuitives do. the Te-Fi types go for communicative action. the Ti-Fe types go for conceptual clarity.

    your writing is different than mine bc i have to locate myself somewhere and then experiment my way out of the trap. i have to use a lot of brush strokes before anything comes into focus. i see nothing, yet if given all the information of the world, i can see into it and understand it as a singularity. but i'm always kind of randomly walking along its branches and pathways. which is different, bc the analytical tools to logically and linearly break down specific relationships occur in this context more than in a starting from scratch and developing a coherent simulation out of nothing (Ne expanding a germinal seed and exploring the iterations).

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