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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    Which one is devilish, smells pleasantly of tobacco and wears a top hat? Go for that one.

    hey, stop talking about me behind my back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    hey, stop talking about me behind my back!
    I'd talk about you to your adorable bear face, but you've neglected me and Jade terribly! We've been angrily playing video games and slamming cabinets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    I'd talk about you to your adorable bear face, but you've neglected me and Jade terribly! We've been angrily playing video games and slamming cabinets.
    My diploma of twin care taker stipulates that I cannot practice without previously getting a naked oil massage from my clients

    *sticks tongue out*
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

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    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    My diploma of twin care taker stipulates that I cannot practice without previously getting a naked oil massage from my clients

    *sticks tongue out*
    You are a sick fiend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    You are a sick fiend.

    I love me too.
    And hey, I could lose my licence if I stopstart slacking off on the details.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

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    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Some added notes about the indecision thingie...

    An ENFJ girl that I know has this social life demographics. This is a rough estimate on my part, so don't consider this a generalization.

    For every 12 friends that she has, the distribution is something like.

    7 males
    5 females

    Out of these 5 females, maybe around 2 don't really like her--stereotypical ESFJ and ESFP girls who are getting jealous of an ENFJ's charisma. For some obscure reason, the ENFJ girl still acts needlessly civil (friendly, even) to the two despite them not really liking her for real. The ENFJ's intuition knows this all too well.

    The 7 males is an interesting bunch. Notice that there are more male friends than females. Well, if you're an ENFJ girl making those ESFX's jealous, you'll get a bigger ratio of male friends.

    Out of these 7 males, 80% or more have a crush on the ENFJ girl, and she would make sure that she's friendly enough to make sure that these guys let go of their inhibitions.

    This is what sort of defines the mystic ENFJ fan club - the pool of flirting friends.

    I'd be a hypocrite if I say that I'm not flirting with an ENFJ (ENTP and ENFJs are verrrrry complementary in terms of character growth).

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    Here's where the trouble starts.

    Out of those 7 guys, most of them know each other. Most of them flirt with the ENFJ. If they're mature, the guys could even get friendly with each other, assuming that most of them will take the flirtation at face value.

    Let's say out of those 7, 5 are the healthy bunch that can handle the flirtation well. Either they're already in a relationship or they just take the flirtation at face value. Or both.

    The other two are the territorial asshole bunch--jealous insecure possessive guys who will make sure they'll do everything so that the other guys will not try to get her attention.

    Sometimes, the ENFJ girl gets in a relationship with either of the two. Break-up inevitably happens. And for some obscure reason, even if she logically (ENFJs are among the most logical feelers that I know) knows that any form of friendship with the lousy ex is a dead end, she still wants to be friendly with him, even attempting at some point to make him reconcile with the other guys.

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    The bottom line --

    12 friends, 4 should be weeded out, but an ENFJ can't do it. NFPs and NTPs are better at this because they value closer ties and are more conscious about the social dynamics of the friends they keep (at least when interacting with each other).

    This is going by the assumption, of course, that the 12 people somehow know each other.

    The 8 are the only people worth keeping.

    Older NFJs I know are more gutsy in this weed-out process. The younger one that I know just...couldn't do it. The sad part is, the rotten 4 can get into heavy conflict with any of the healthy 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    Some added notes about the indecision thingie...

    An ENFJ girl that I know has this social life demographics. This is a rough estimate on my part, so don't consider this a generalization.

    For every 12 friends that she has, the distribution is something like.

    7 males
    5 females

    Out of these 5 females, maybe around 2 don't really like her--stereotypical ESFJ and ESFP girls who are getting jealous of an ENFJ's charisma. For some obscure reason, the ENFJ girl still acts needlessly civil (friendly, even) to the two despite them not really liking her for real. The ENFJ's intuition knows this all too well.

    The 7 males is an interesting bunch. Notice that there are more male friends than females. Well, if you're an ENFJ girl making those ESFX's jealous, you'll get a bigger ratio of male friends.

    Out of these 7 males, 80% or more have a crush on the ENFJ girl, and she would make sure that she's friendly enough to make sure that these guys let go of their inhibitions.

    This is what sort of defines the mystic ENFJ fan club - the pool of flirting friends.

    I'd be a hypocrite if I say that I'm not flirting with an ENFJ (ENTP and ENFJs are verrrrry complementary in terms of character growth).

    ________________

    Here's where the trouble starts.

    Out of those 7 guys, most of them know each other. Most of them flirt with the ENFJ. If they're mature, the guys could even get friendly with each other, assuming that most of them will take the flirtation at face value.

    Let's say out of those 7, 5 are the healthy bunch that can handle the flirtation well. Either they're already in a relationship or they just take the flirtation at face value. Or both.

    The other two are the territorial asshole bunch--jealous insecure possessive guys who will make sure they'll do everything so that the other guys will not try to get her attention.

    Sometimes, the ENFJ girl gets in a relationship with either of the two. Break-up inevitably happens. And for some obscure reason, even if she logically (ENFJs are among the most logical feelers that I know) knows that any form of friendship with the lousy ex is a dead end, she still wants to be friendly with him, even attempting at some point to make him reconcile with the other guys.

    _________________

    The bottom line --

    12 friends, 4 should be weeded out, but an ENFJ can't do it. NFPs and NTPs are better at this because they value closer ties and are more conscious about the social dynamics of the friends they keep (at least when interacting with each other).

    This is going by the assumption, of course, that the 12 people somehow know each other.

    The 8 are the only people worth keeping.

    Older NFJs I know are more gutsy in this weed-out process. The younger one that I know just...couldn't do it. The sad part is, the rotten 4 can get into heavy conflict with any of the healthy 8.

    ______________

    ENFJs are very smart, logical, and I'd even say has a good understanding of cynicism that they can apply into good use. More often than not though, wishful thinking overrides everything.
    AH, you're talking about someone who isn't you. (/wow, way to read the thread, haha/)

    Being in a very similar situation to the ENFJ girl in question, I can tell you it's just hard for me to "weed people out". I mean, think about it. That sounds awful. I've been ostracized before and I hate it! Why would I purposely go out and do that to someone? And if these girls are so jealous of me, then why hang out with me? I don't hang out with girls I'm jealous of, that's just stupid and spiteful. They should "weed themselves out".

    I'm friendly with guys who have a crush on me (that aren't just total creepers) because I've also been the girl who has a crush on the guy and been totally scored by him. I felt so hated and I don't want to do that to anyone. I want them to feel appreciated because I probably do appreciate their personalities but I don't want to have a romantic relationship with them, usually for a very important but simple reason. I guess I consider myself capable of riding this line between friendship and leading him on, which I may or may not be actually capable of doing.

    I love making friends with my ex's. I'm sorry, but I do. It sucks getting so close to a person, finding out who they really are, sharing so much of yourself with them and then trying to forget they ever existed, especially if they still hang around you a lot for whatever reason. It's like having someone close to you die, but you see their ghost every day. Just way too painful.

    I don't like to think of people as being "kept" or "turned loose". People are way more fluid than that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MmmCrazy View Post
    I love making friends with my ex's. I'm sorry, but I do. It sucks getting so close to a person, finding out who they really are, sharing so much of yourself with them and then trying to forget they ever existed, especially if they still hang around you a lot for whatever reason. It's like having someone close to you die, but you see their ghost every day. Just way too painful.
    Well-said. If he made such a deep impact on me, he's never NOT a part of me. My IsTP was the first guy I truly *loved*. Our reflection of each other was frightening. He treated me like a woman, not a scared angry little girl. He was a drug addict, so we know where this ended. But I still think about him frequently and hope he's well and happy. I'm the same way about my ENTP ex. I think about him all the time. He was like the ISTP in the sense that I, the island fortress, could easily imagine being with him forever, and I wasn't afraid of it. I was afraid of how easy it was, but not of him.

    I want to say though that if I'm with YOU, I'm with you, not these other people, no matter how much they meant to me. I'm here with you where we're at, and am not wishing for what I had. The trouble with me is that I have yet to meet anyone that I wanted to be with like I did with those two guys, so I'm still sort of floating in isolation.

    When you finally feel inherently and naturally understood, it ruins everything else until it occurs again...
    I don't like to think of people as being "kept" or "turned loose". People are way more fluid than that...
    Wow. Very well-said. Fully agree.
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    My IsTP was the first guy I truly *loved*.
    Haha, it's those James Dean types that get to us. Darn ISTPs!


    I want to say though that if I'm with YOU, I'm with you, not these other people, no matter how much they meant to me. I'm here with you where we're at, and am not wishing for what I had. The trouble with me is that I have yet to meet anyone that I wanted to be with like I did with those two guys, so I'm still sort of floating in isolation.
    It's like that Beatles song, "In my Life". (WOW. Sorry, I never quote The Beatles, haha.) You remember all the people you used to love and hold them in a certain respect in your heart, but you love the one you're with the most.

    I hate that floating in isolation feeling! I know exactly what you're talking about. It makes for a pretty good driving force, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MmmCrazy View Post
    AH, you're talking about someone who isn't you. (/wow, way to read the thread, haha/)

    Being in a very similar situation to the ENFJ girl in question, I can tell you it's just hard for me to "weed people out". I mean, think about it. That sounds awful. I've been ostracized before and I hate it! Why would I purposely go out and do that to someone? And if these girls are so jealous of me, then why hang out with me? I don't hang out with girls I'm jealous of, that's just stupid and spiteful. They should "weed themselves out".

    I'm friendly with guys who have a crush on me (that aren't just total creepers) because I've also been the girl who has a crush on the guy and been totally scored by him. I felt so hated and I don't want to do that to anyone. I want them to feel appreciated because I probably do appreciate their personalities but I don't want to have a romantic relationship with them, usually for a very important but simple reason. I guess I consider myself capable of riding this line between friendship and leading him on, which I may or may not be actually capable of doing.

    I love making friends with my ex's. I'm sorry, but I do. It sucks getting so close to a person, finding out who they really are, sharing so much of yourself with them and then trying to forget they ever existed, especially if they still hang around you a lot for whatever reason. It's like having someone close to you die, but you see their ghost every day. Just way too painful.

    I don't like to think of people as being "kept" or "turned loose". People are way more fluid than that...
    What if this is sabotaging your ability to form new, close relationships? Particularly a new, committed, romantic relationship?
    What would you choose then? At what point will the ENFJ choose their own happiness over taking care of everyone else?
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

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