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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I pretty much agree with everything you had to say. This particular part reminds me of my manipulative days when I was young. I got to the point that I knew just what I would need to say and do to get someone to do exactly what I wanted them to do. I would have made Tom Sawyer proud, and I even use to incite people in certain situations because I enjoyed watching everything play out exactly as I knew it would. Thank God I grew out of that, but now my little brother is the master manipulator and it drives me nuts.

    Do unhealthy INFJs act like INTJs?
    I have the same capabilities, although I never really used them for my own enjoyment, even during my troubled youth . I'm very good at diffusing uncomfortable or anger-filled situations, or feeding someone an opinion, simply by leading the other person through a series of steps in a conversation. It feels very manipulative at times, because about 99% of the time the other person is completely unaware of what I'm doing. I often have to use this technique with my boss, who has the emotional capacity of a 4 year old.

    I agree with most everyone on here, that our "psychic" abilities are simply an acute sensitivity to patterns in the everyday world. When I was a kid, my family and I used to play a game where I'd predict the next song on the radio during the silence directly preceding it. They were always amazed that I could predict the songs with such accuracy, when it was really just me picking up on which songs were in heavy rotation on that station and anticipating when it was the next time for that song to pop up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carebear View Post
    So that's why I wasn't able to impress or surprise her when I... (ok, you get the joke and someone had to do it)
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    Eh. I don't buy the INFJs-are-psychic thing. We are perceptive, but we don't perceive anything supernaturally, imo. We just perceive things that others don't notice and we are kickass at drawing accurate conclusions that pertain to the future. We also tend to map meaning onto things that aren't necessarily inherently meaningful (but that's cool, because they become meaningful as we interpret them as such).
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    Intuitive has never been directly synonymous with psychic.

    Intuitive people make assumptions. Psychics are right about their assumptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    When I was a child my mother, would always say that I must have an "old soul" because I would say things very unlike what a child would say, and even now I occasionally get accused of "knowing beyond my years." But I think that has a lot more to do with how I interpret the world, which can often come across as some sort of wisdom because I've always been very good at discerning the truth from any given situation.
    I used to get that a lot as a child, too.

    I agree with the other posts that INFJ's seem to just pick up on certain, patterns, human interactions, & subtle clues easily (normally without realizing we are doing it!). Our Ni takes little seemingly unrelated pieces and makes them whole, so being as Ni driven as we are, we're bound to know things before others are aware of them. However, in retrospect, I bet we can figure out the small clues that led us to "knowing". This sort of thing pops up most in relationships with me - I always know when they are going to end, the guy's going to cheat & with whom, etc etc waaaaay before anything actually happens. However, when I look back I realize that it may have just been in inflection in his voice, an unneccessary defensive statement or a change in a seemingly unimportant pattern. Ni immediately takes these clues, puts them together, and gives us a conclusion of what will happen next - hence why INFJ's in general are so future oriented. We can't NOT be with Ni dominating! This is the point that I get my famous "gut feeling", as well - because I KNOW what's going to happen and there's nothing I can do to prevent it (or if I do something, I'd look as though I was starting trouble and it'll just escalate the eventual outcome - and make me look a bit nuts).

    The only remotely "psychic" thing that I can't really explain is that I do get premonition dreams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Intuitive people make assumptions. Psychics are right about their assumptions.
    Intuitive people make assumptions. Psychics have learned about cold reading and let people believe they are right about their assumptions when in fact they let their subjects make their own assumptions and just play along by making loads of vague contradictory guesses and let people themselves tell the psychic all the actual info.

    "I sense that there might or might not have been something difficult for you in relation to sexuality around age hm... 12? Or a few years later..."

    Either the subject will see this as extremely significant and tell the psychic that yes, in fact this and that happened, how on earth did you know?

    or if nothing bad happened, it still was a troubled period sexuality wise. Or if it against all odds wasn't, she did say "might or might not", so let's just move on.

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    I had an English teacher in high school who gave a test to the whole class to test our "psychic" abilities. She would think of a picture or symbol (from a list on the blackboard) and we would guess which one she was thinking of and write it down.

    I did not do very well. I don't think that anyone did.

    So I'm not psychic, at least not in that sense. But I have always been hyper-aware of what other people are feeling. I could always sense when my mother was angry, even if she appeared perfectly calm and didn't have a scowl on her face. I just knew, somehow.

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    Let me try to explain what I am saying about the danger of presumptuous hunches.

    Human perception naturally splits into the conscious and unconscious minds. We developed this way for efficiency. Our mind and senses take in far more data than our conscious minds can process. Because of this humans develop internal filtering systems. These systems are based on our world view. We naturally perceive those select details that fit into our conscious system of thought - those details that make sense to us. This is why prejudicial thinking runs so deep. It is artificially validated through our perceptions. For example, if there is an underlying assumption that men in business suits are smart, then the mind will select only those details that reinforce this assumption. When such men say stupid things, these with either be quickly forgotten, or never perceived in the first place. It is uncomfortable to realize this about ourselves, that our perceptions are naturally distorted, but it is measurably and observably true.

    So you see, the individual that gets a psychic hunch that person A is a liar and not to be trusted will perceive that person in such a way to reinforce that assumption. The times person A seems honest will not be seen. If the psychic hunch says Person B is competitive and out to get their job, then everything person B says will be twisted into a competitive challenge in the mind of the "psychic". The person with the presumed insight will feel completely validated in both scenarios, resting assured in their deep insight even if it was completely false.

    I do invest a lot into perceiving people and have experienced hunches, but have learned the necessity to filter these through reason and to withhold judgment. In a word, it is necessary to take such insight with a grain of salt. A strong impression is the beginning of insight, not the end. Yes there is a reason for such insight, but it may come from within yourself and have nothing to do with the other person at all. I do get vivid flashes in my mind of seeing people in different emotional states than what they are presenting in the moment, but that is primarily a curiosity. For example I know a young woman whose father was very frightening. She is quite aggressive and intense herself, but even when she is self assured there is a certain tremble in her voice. When talking to her i get vivid impressions of the kind of fear she felt as a little girl. What does that mean? Maybe it is insight, maybe it is my imagination, maybe it is projecting something of myself on her. What it means to me is that i am curious to understand her better on her terms, not mine. Insightful people allow others to tell their story, listen and consider these deeply valid, even moreso than their personal hunches.
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    Oh dear.


    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Let me try to explain what I am saying about the danger of presumptuous hunches. Human perception naturally splits into the conscious and unconscious minds. We developed this way for efficiency...
    This was a wonderful post, Toonia... and so well-stated. Very thorough and logical.

    ...This is why prejudicial thinking runs so deep. It is artificially validated through our perceptions.
    What is ironic is that you are challenging the touted "psychic hunch" haphazardly associated with Ni types by actually using your Ni (supported with an articulate Ti) to say, "Step outside your frame of reference and recognize the assumptions you are making about your own Ni." Nice.

    ... What does that mean? Maybe it is insight, maybe it is my imagination, maybe it is projecting something of myself on her. What it means to me is that i am curious to understand her better on her terms, not mine. Insightful people allow others to tell their story, listen and consider these deeply valid, even moreso than their personal hunches.
    Sorry if I am overstroking your ego, but this was just such a beautiful post in so many ways -- not only putting Ni back in its place but encouraging the sort of conversation that sometimes over-application of MBTI prevents from occurring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Let me try to explain what I am saying about the danger of presumptuous hunches.
    .............................
    Maybe it is insight, maybe it is my imagination, maybe it is projecting something of myself on her. What it means to me is that i am curious to understand her better on her terms, not mine.
    I agree with the overall message of your post, and especially the above two blurbs.

    To be quite honest, I often don't trust my hunches, and I certainly don't presume to think I'm right about half the stuff I think I detect (but, it seems often my initial hunch ends up being right, given enough time - but sure, definitely not always; and that's why time, and not listening to your hunch automatically, is imperative). I'm really quite the listener, and am always questioning myself and why I think one way or another, and deep down am quite curious about how people tick, and want them to open up on their terms, in their own way.

    But, given the nature of the original post/question, as to why INFJ's tend to appear 'psychic', or are attributed those 'powers', I think there are good reasons for why INFJ's appear this way -- which is what has been discussed by a lot of people already in this thread.

    So, I see this discussion breaking up into two topics now - one, there's the ability/skill of detecting patterns or details, and WHY INFJ's might be considered the 'psychics' in type descriptions - and then there's what/how we, as INFJ, choose to view ourselves, our thoughts, our motivations, how we actualize our abilities, our strengths and weaknesses, and perceive them within ourselves..i.e. humbleness, vs manipulative, vs...I don't know.....I'm having an impossible time verbalizing this second part. But yeah..kinda where you've been going with your posts.

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