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    really sy? you're one of those people that believes your experience is the only truth? i wouldn't have thought that of you...it's not something i care to convince anyone of tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    really sy? you're one of those people that believes your experience is the only truth? i wouldn't have thought that of you...it's not something i care to convince anyone of tho.
    Sure, go ahead and ignore all that I said and cared to lay out. No, one thing is experiencing something and the other thing is interpreting the experience.

    My grandma and I will experience the same things by entering a drum n bass party. We will smell the smoke, we will hear the beat, we will see the people.

    But the way the two of us interpret the experience, and the way it makes us feel inside our brains (as opposed to our eyes, ears, tongue, hands and nose which experience much the same things) is different.

    My grandma will call it noise, and ill call it music. It's the same thing phenomenon, we just interpret it differently.

    If you enter a room and see everyone fighting, or frowning or whatever it is you pick up SUBCONSCIOUSLY, without consciously analyzing it (like so many things we do pick up) ... and it makes you feel a certain way, and you call it negative energy, it doesn't mean that there IS negative energy in the room...because some robotic ITJ might also enter the room and pick up on nothing of the sort. Because his brain interpreting things differently. But the phenomena inside the room are the same.


    So no, claiming there is ENERGY (god knows why people use that word in the first place) out there to be felt, and that the rest of us are for whatever reason not picking it up...THAT'S telling others only you guys see the truth.


    And this is not about truth. It's about fact versus interpretation of fact. I never said anything about what is true. Truth is subjective.

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    i never claimed my experience was THE truth....but you seem to be saying yours is.

    i said this is how it feels to me...my truth..my experience and it can be felt the moment someone walks in the room...they can have a blank face...it doesn't matter.

    but yes i agree with you that people interpret their experiences differently and this is one of those ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i never claimed my experience was THE truth....but you seem to be saying yours is.

    i said this is how it feels to me...my truth..my experience and it can be felt the moment someone walks in the room...they can have a blank face...it doesn't matter.

    but yes i agree with you that people interpret their experiences differently and this is one of those ways.
    I explained it to the best of my ability. Sorry you still don't understand my words, but I didn't say anything about the truth. I was talking about fact.

    And energy being there to be picked up by people is NOT a fact. This is not my opinion, this is not me claiming to know the truth, it's me using the correct definition of the word fact. And a fact is something that everyone should agree upon as the case. You know, like the wind blowing, or a person having spoken or something like that. Something that the 5 senses can see.

    Anyway, this is pointless. Can't reason why someone who doesn't want to read what I have to say and try and understand what I mean.

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    it is not true that i didn't read or understand what you wrote. i heard you i just have a different experience...i believe energy is like emotion...it is something felt and there are plenty of people in this world who do feel others emotions...rather or not that could ever be a proven fact...really don't give a shit...doesn't change a thing...so why would i care to debate that with you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    it is not true that i didn't read or understand what you wrote. i heard you i just have a different experience...i believe energy is like emotion...it is something felt and there are plenty of people in this world who do feel others emotions...rather or not that could ever be a proven fact...really don't give a shit...doesn't change a thing...so why would i care to debate that with you?
    Well if you had read what I wrote you would have seen that I was saying this energy IS experienced like emotions.

    And just as the same experience will produce different emotions in someone, so will other peoples moods and such. I'm not claiming you are not experiencing what you are experiencing. I'm claiming it's not something magical that is transmitted via air or some astral plane...I'm claiming that if you were blindfolded and with earplugs and entered the room...if you couldn't see or hear...you wouldn't know if the energy of the room was heavy or negative or positive. Are you claiming you would?

    You are negatively judging my posts based on an initially perceived idea of some sort, but you are not unbiasedly analyzing the actual content of what I'm saying. You have already decided in your mind I'm trying to say something bad and you have already decided you don't care what I have to say on the subject because everything is subjective and every has their truths.

    I'm trying to delve deeper and explain what is happening in people's brains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Well if you had read what I wrote you would have seen that I was saying this energy IS experienced like emotions.

    And just as the same experience will produce different emotions in someone, so will other peoples moods and such. I'm not claiming you are not experiencing what you are experiencing. I'm claiming it's not something magical that is transmitted via air or some astral plane...I'm claiming that if you were blindfolded and with earplugs and entered the room...if you couldn't see or hear...you wouldn't know if the energy of the room was heavy or negative or positive. Are you claiming you would?

    You are negatively judging my posts based on an initially perceived idea of some sort, but you are not unbiasedly analyzing the actual content of what I'm saying. You have already decided in your mind I'm trying to say something bad and you have already decided you don't care what I have to say on the subject because everything is subjective and every has their truths.

    I'm trying to delve deeper and explain what is happening in people's brains.
    i'm negatively judging your posts? interesting...are you implying you can read tone or pick up some sort of emotional vibe from words on a screen although you can't see me? i could very well be laughing and light hearted as i type...do you trust that instinct of yours?

    also...my saying it was like emotion wasn't in disagreement..i was saying yes...i believe like emotion it is something felt and experienced not something you could prove and not something everyone would experience in the same way.

    and i'm not claiming i know how the process works nor am i saying it is something mystical and i have no clue if it's something i would feel blindfolded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i'm negatively judging your posts? interesting...are you implying you can read tone or pick up some sort of emotional vibe from words on a screen although you can't see me? i could very well be laughing and light hearted as i type...do you trust that instinct of yours?
    That's the thing, I believe you are negatively judging by the things you actually say, but the facts. Like you saying I think I know it has to be my truth. It's not about me getting any vibe or anything.

    But even if it was...I'm a freakin ENFP here. I do a lot of subconscious processing, obviously. I can tell relatively well what others are feelings and all that crap...except I know I can be wrong, which is why I wouldn't vouch for every intuition I'd have BECAUSE I know it's just one possible interpretation of the facts.

    It's about knowing WHY we have these feelings instead of chalking it up to some sort of vague concept like energy and going into detail how it can be thick or light or whatever...or believing it's something spiritual or something. I mean, what would that make of people who aren't as apt as ENFPs to pick up on these moods? Not in touch with the spiritual side of things or something like that? No, our brain is processing all the data...just most of it subconsciously..while, say, an ESTJ would it most of the processing consciously and concretely instead of subconsciously and holistically .

    Anyway, I'm bored now. Go away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky is BLUE! View Post
    It's like picking a lock. You can't just will it open, you must take your time.

    I get a feeling straight away that something is going on and then look for certain clues in body language, tone of voice and things like that. So, the detection of emotions involves both the feeling and a later conscious action to find out the nuances.

    It also depends on how close I am to the person. The more closer, the easier and quicker it is to detect certain emotions and the more accurate it is. With strangers or people I'm not that close to, it might take some time to figure out but the initial feeling that something is up is still there in the beginning.

    How many emotions am I able to recognize? I don't know. How many are there? Haven't thought about it in such detail. I just feel it.
    I get the same thing going on.
    Just because I'm an INFP doesn't mean I'm emo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salt n' pepper View Post
    IME, NFs can appriciate the NTJ sense of humor. I get the sense they admire it.
    True that. I looooove the NT sense of humor. In fact, it's kind of a turn-on. I think humor should be the LAST thing you try to hide from someone, because humor is what makes a person fun. It may depend on the particular NF as to whether they have that sense of humor. It could also be a problem if you insult one of their firmly held beliefs or something that they care about. But...I say go for it. If you can cover it with a friendly and kind of sly smile, that might help a lot, too.

    As far as the original question...erm...that is really difficult to answer. I honestly have no idea and I don't think I've ever even really thought about it. Haha. If they look sad and are giving off sad vibes, they're probably sad...? Lol.

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