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    I'm definitely drawn to INF's....

    But I also like INT's...

    So who the heck knows???
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    what a surprise... you guys are all... wrong

    ENTP/INFJ is a relation of supervision according to socionics (im fully aware that this is an MBTI forum).


    And please PLEASE do not test my patience by saying that socionics INFp is MBTI INFJ. IXXJ = IXXJ for both systems! It doesnt matter that one says NiFe and the other says FiNE (they use different descriptions of the functions)



    These relations are also asymmetrical as are relations of Benefit. One partner, called the Supervisor, is always in a more favourable position in respect to the other partner who is known as Supervisee.

    Relations of Supervision can give the impression that Supervisor is constantly watching every step of the Supervisee. The latter usually feels this control even if the Supervisor does not say or do anything. The explanation for this is that the Supervisee weak point is defenceless against the Supervisor's strong point. This makes the Supervisee nervous and expect the worse.

    Although the Supervisor can seem self-satisfied, petty, faultfinding and narrative, the Supervisee pays attention to their actions and considers the Supervisor as consequential. The Supervisee normally wants to gain recognition and commendation from the Supervisor. However, it may seem like the Supervisor always undervalues the abilities of the Supervisee. This stimulates the Supervisee into proving their own worthiness with various actions, yet there is little chance that they will succeed.

    The Supervisor sees the Supervisee as quite interesting and capable, but incomplete and therefore in need of some help and advice. The Supervisee does not respond to this aid as expected and this will often increase the Supervisor's attempts to change the Supervisee. Because the Supervisee naturally does not understand what it is that the Supervisor wants from them, this may irritate the Supervisor, who thinks that the Supervisee simply does not want to understand.

    In relations of Supervision it may also appear as if the Supervisor patronises the Supervisee, which can be quite obtrusive for the latter. When there are more than two people present, the Supervisee often attempts to release themselves from the control of the Supervisor by starting arguments for the sake of it or by attempting to manoeuvre themselves into the commanding position. Unfortunately, these attempts lead nowhere. The Supervisor may think instead that the Supervisee simply requires more attention.

    Supervision partners often look like good friends. The reason for this is that in these relations both partners can sense their social value: the Supervisor as a "guardian angel", without whom the Supervisee will get into trouble, and the Supervisee as the object of attention.
    I think of all the relations of supervision, the ENTP and INFJ ones seem to work because the ENTP is the object of interest. This naturally draws out the INFJ. Also, the INFJ is probably one of the more reluctant supervisors. So its probably the most balanced of the asymmetrical relations and avoids the problems of control/overbearing that other relations of supervision have.


    So if ENTP and INFJ are supervision, then what is the best match?


    The supposed best match is the dual. The INFJ dual is ESTJ. I couldnt imagine pairing them with an "S" though.


    So you might ask...what then, IS the best type for INFJ?




    ....drum roll..... (you are all going to cower in fear as you face the harsh truth!!!)


    ENTJ
    !!!!

    All the 'N' the ESTJ lacks, yet all the grounding the INFJ needs...
    ...Also, the ENTJ gets all the 'warmth' of the ISFJ, yet doesn't have to stand for a sensor. The Fe effect, can definitely have a nice influence on the ENTJ too...they need the moderating influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post

    ENTJ
    !!!!

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    I'm definitely a huge advocate of INTP/INFJ, even though I'm not exactly unbiased when advocating this. INFJ helps INTP become a bit more warm and fuzzy and may help develop an intuitive moral sense which an overly "logical" INTP could lack. INTP helps INFJ be less judgemental about the behavior of others and makes sure their "high horse" does not get steered in a "the road to hell is laden with good intentions" sort of direction. The fundamental downside of it I would say is that the INTP might not be in touch with the emotional needs of an INFJ, and an INFJ would be likely to blame him/herself and simply suffer through the situation rather than speak up in the direct sort of language that an INTP naturally likes to think. Also, given that both are quiet individualists with lots of hidden thoughts about the world, the interactions could become a bit too psychologically intense. Overall, ENTP/INFJ might work better when both parties are mature (since an extrovert won't fall into quite the same sort of psychological singularity), but the machiavellian nature of an undeveloped ENTP might be less palatable than the aloof awkwardness of an undeveloped INTP. Likewise, an ENTP might view an undeveloped INFJ as an arrogant stick in the mud who doesn't have enough fun in a way that an INTP might not.

    Then again, the above argument could be viewed as entirely self-interested, given that I think INFJs are so so so awesome.

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    ENTP + INFJ FTW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    are we really that scary? everyone knows that Hollywood is a myth machine and that real life ENTJs are sentimental teddy bears on the inside haha.

    I think INFJs are awesome:

    1. they have so much swirling around in their heads, that the idea of ever "figuring them out" and then being bored, is highly unlikely.
    2. its like an advent calender: you get to pry out awesomeness every so often. The average girl just isn't that interesting... I dont mean that I bore in an ESFP permiscous (spelling?) sense. I mean like 90% of the crowd is just boring and easy to figure out (aside from the INFJ of course).
    3. WARMTH. The INFJ is a comforting presence

    ENTJ:
    1. ENTJs are excellent communicators. The ENTP/INFJ is often sold on the ability of the ENTP to wrap his head around the INFJ Ni. Similarly, the Te/Ni of the ENTJ has to be pretty adept at understanding the INFJ Ni.
    2. The ENTJ is not heartless. We usually just need something to awaken otherwise suppressed feelings. We can definitely be magnanimous protectors when we know of something deserving our attention.
    3. The ENTJ can benefit immensely from having what they perceive as a feelings "safe haven" to express what they otherwise suppress. The ENTJ sentimental streak and melodramatic moment is not uncommon .

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    ^ I love my ENTJ friend, but need to spend so much time lecturing him and advising him on human relationships... and cleaning up after his latest social faux pas that I wouldn't know how to stop from killing him in the end.

    But I agree that he is so soft and squishy on the inside... awww... But yeah, I still want to kill him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sciski View Post
    ^ I love my ENTJ friend, but need to spend so much time lecturing him and advising him on human relationships... and cleaning up after his latest social faux pas that I wouldn't know how to stop from killing him in the end.

    But I agree that he is so soft and squishy on the inside... awww... But yeah, I still want to kill him!
    but thats exactly it: you get to cover our ass during social faux pas and we get to cover your ass when you get irrational fears and wallow in a lack of productivity

    its the perfect match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicheck View Post
    I'm definitely a huge advocate of INTP/INFJ, even though I'm not exactly unbiased when advocating this. INFJ helps INTP become a bit more warm and fuzzy and may help develop an intuitive moral sense which an overly "logical" INTP could lack.
    Dude, ur talking about real people supposed to like each other, not an awkward fanboy and the INTJ as some kind of teacher in the ways of socialization and life. That's a job for a social workers damn it : P
    Quote Originally Posted by musicheck View Post
    Likewise, an ENTP might view an undeveloped INFJ as an arrogant stick in the mud who doesn't have enough fun in a way that an INTP might not.
    Meh, anybody would see an undeveloped WHATEVER, as undeveloped. Really, this way of going for the 'discount chick' looks like ur trying to sell cars.

    People don't like each other because you argued them into it damn it. No matter how pretty they look on a calendar, some pairs are just not meant to be, except for particular cases OFC.(and i'm glad for them)

    Quote Originally Posted by musicheck View Post
    Then again, the above argument could be viewed as entirely self-interested, given that I think INFJs are so so so awesome.
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    Interestingly, I've known (and pretty much dated) two other INFJ guys. But wow, that was frustrating. Far too similar. It wasn't exciting, because it was immediate comfort. No guesswork involved. Also, we INFJs love to be cared for, and with an INFJ-INFJ relationship, there's a constant struggle for attention.

    I've liked plenty of INFPs, also because of an instant comfort and likeness in calm and security. But I think that match is also too similar, and the J causes arguments

    I got on really well with an ENFP (actually, might be an ENTP... not sure). I've still got butterflies for him, but I'm not sure what happened. Big conflict of interests I think.

    I was really into an ISTP awhile back, and it was mutual, but circumstances got in the way and it never worked out. We're friends now, and since knowing him better, I'd go crazy.

    One of my closest female friends is an INFJ that is married to an ENFJ.

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