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    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
    I was going to post here complaining about how flighty and usery-prone immature ENFPs are, but it is so damn unbelievably hard to stay mad at you guys.
    Unbelievably.
    Even after three months of consistent horribitchable behavior, you can sit right down, smile, act like nothing happened, and bam-- that's it, I can't hate you anymore.
    HOW?
    We are soul-stealing wenches.... even of the disgruntled, would-be ENFP hater.

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    Let's see... why I would hate ENFPs (which I don't, really)... whenever their inferior STJ side piques. I find it disturbing!

    Also, Ti and Ne can kinda clash in us (for ISTP and ENFP, each is the other's 7th function, the trickster function).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinkist View Post
    Let's see... why I would hate ENFPs (which I don't, really)... whenever their inferior STJ side piques. I find it disturbing!

    Also, Ti and Ne can kinda clash in us (for ISTP and ENFP, each is the other's 7th function, the trickster function).
    (tangent: I'm still not sure I understand how a trickster function works with each type...you should message me how they clash!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2XtremeENFP View Post
    (tangent: I'm still not sure I understand how a trickster function works with each type...you should message me how they clash!)
    There is no trickster function, its just tertiary working within the framework of aux(/is guided by aux), thus the orientation of tert seems to change and because it clashes with aux function.

    For ENFP this would be Te being a slave of Fi, all that Te does is guided by Fi, and because its guided by Fi, but is totally opposite function that should be used in totally opposite situations, this causes Te to play tricks on you. Once Te is developed to the stage where its in conscious control, it no longer plays tricks on you, as its aimed to more appropriate things and doesent unconsciously force itself to where it doesent belong.

    The thing with functions working under the control/guidance of another function instead of being consciously oriented, makes the function work mainly unconsciously.
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    I don't hate anyone. But I do find the ENFPs annoying, who play up the MBTI ENFP stereotype of their purported kind. Of the real life ENFPs that I know who aren't into MBTI, they're a pretty cool bunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    There is no trickster function, its just tertiary working within the framework of aux(/is guided by aux), thus the orientation of tert seems to change and because it clashes with aux function.

    For ENFP this would be Te being a slave of Fi, all that Te does is guided by Fi, and because its guided by Fi, but is totally opposite function that should be used in totally opposite situations, this causes Te to play tricks on you. Once Te is developed to the stage where its in conscious control, it no longer plays tricks on you, as its aimed to more appropriate things and doesent unconsciously force itself to where it doesent belong.

    The thing with functions working under the control/guidance of another function instead of being consciously oriented, makes the function work mainly unconsciously.

    Aaahh this makes sense, thanks!

    I just remember a while ago, I was talking to someone certified in conducting MBTI assesments, and he knew about my intense fear of flying, and he said it was due to my Ti but wasnt able to explain why. I usually only think of the 4 functions most of the time and not go further than that.

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    But there are 8 functions. I was referring to a shadow function (can be interpolated through the aux. and ter. functions but it's not quite the same). I was also reminded of "conflict relations" between ENFP and ISTP, for example (socionics applied to plain MBTI).
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    wow.. I didnt realize I would have had this much to say.. this is a rant thread right?


    I love everything good about an old friend that was as close to enfp style person I can think of .. however I also found her surprisingly distasteful in other ways. this was about 4 years ago. and to this day im surprised I turned down a girl who was fun attractive and bright.. when I was 18.. "so yeah we were particularly young, however this was exceptional behavior to me even then..

    it kinda went like this, She was very careful to acknowledged my feelings about pretty much everything..very disarming, we danced, we enjoyed spending time together.. she was very energetic, creative.. and then I started to notice somethings that caused me to feel rather uncomfortable.

    firstly she seemed very comfortable as if it were suddenly her second nature. trying to be emotionally manipulative. this strategy was apparently effective on many of the people she lived with and knew.. however it seemed rather crude to me. "Im not really describing this very well.. she was very smooth, and were it not for the fact that she had pegged my motivations wrong Im sure I may have succumbed as well.. and for a While I thought she was not doing this intentionally. however later felt that I had been mistaken.. I had gone over to her place for the evening, like I had done frequently, however this time the feel was different, this time it became apparent to me she intended to have sex with me "and yes as out of place as that sentence reflects how out of place this was in my mind.. .. its True that she was physically appealing for certain.. and on some level I was desperate for an deeper emotional connection..

    Here was the rub, this was her boyfriends apartment.. the one she always talked about being afraid was going to leave her.. who she said was taking advantage of her.. who she suspected was cheating on her.. and it finally dawned on me. this girl was certainly not the victim she had portrayed herself to be. And I was there to fill the lack of emotional connection.. I felt then like I was being used..
    however on some level I was desperate for an deeper emotional connection.. and to rectify this she was willing to to do everything she has suspected her boyfriend had done to her to him.. this realization and willingness to be openly hypocritical may very well have been the only thing that stopped the situation from becoming even more painful for everyone involved..

    beginning to realize that she had been dishonest in her intentions for quite some time. and was willing to use some things I had told her about my previous girl friends IE trying to emulate what she thought I would like "not that I think being thoughtful about others preferences is on its face bad, however trying to portray yourself as an entirely different person was just to much for me to watch.."

    before I had realized this I had physically stood up and walked to the door "really without thinking." why did I feel so uncomfortable all of the sudden?. and the fact that she somehow had it in her mind that I could be converted instantly from a friend to some kind of boyfriend just by setting an opportunity for some sexual activity completely out of context.. I felt pretty enraged that .. how shallow did she think I was? “-in retrospect I should have expected her to treat me no differently than those around her.. I had yet to learn that lesson though-” The girl who always talked about how important being loyal was....was it any wonder her boyfriend was so questionable..

    while obviously I had done a great deal of projection and self deceit to put myself in that whole situation.. I tried to write as if I were there again 4 years ago, not How I would see it today. I no longer feel any ill towards a young girl who was just trying to meet her own emotional and physical needs during a difficult time in her life. It was probably natural if not inevitable that I would have ended up around a person as inwardly insecure about others as I was.. so I am actually grateful that I learned this lesson from a girl who I did see as a close friend. If it had been
    someone else I doubt it would have had enough emotional impact for me to see what I was doing.. and that I actually was so afraid of intimacy that I would have preferred a fake and manipulative substitute..and while many of my complaints against her at the time were probably justified.. ultimately she was not the reason I was suspicious of her motivations in the first place.. and I was also guilty of being manipulative albeit in a different way.. we knew each other for more than a year and I did not cover many of the great experiences we shared..

    thus ends my most negative positive in the long term.. experience with a person who seemed to express prefernces for enfp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2XtremeENFP View Post
    Aaahh this makes sense, thanks!

    I just remember a while ago, I was talking to someone certified in conducting MBTI assesments, and he knew about my intense fear of flying, and he said it was due to my Ti but wasnt able to explain why. I usually only think of the 4 functions most of the time and not go further than that.
    But if he was talking about MBTI, he wasnt referring to trickster function. This trickster function(and shadow functions in general) arent MBTI, but beebes typology(lenore also has 8 function model). People are usually unaware that isabel myers originally saw tert as being opposite orientation than dom, meaning that ENFP is Ne Fi Ti Si, even tho nowadays tert is usually(but not always) seen as opposite orientation from dom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinkist View Post
    But there are 8 functions. I was referring to a shadow function (can be interpolated through the aux. and ter. functions but it's not quite the same). I was also reminded of "conflict relations" between ENFP and ISTP, for example (socionics applied to plain MBTI).
    No there are 4 functions T F N S, Ti or Te are different orientations of T, not different functions, at least according to jung. This 8 function model(with 4shadow functions) is just beebes and lenores models that have for some reason gotten popular in internet. 8 functions existing is MBTI terms, but there are only 4 functions used according to MBTI. There is no shadow functions in MBTI and jungian shadow is totally different thing from beebes shadow functions. In jungian typology undeveloped functions are in shadow and once developed they come away from shadow and are controlled by ego.
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