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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    If I had to pick a favorite type as a whole, it would probably be a tie between ENFP and ENTP. My ENFP brother is one of the people I love most in the world. However, there is no denying in my mind that they have tendencies to dismiss criticism in any way they can and they get stuck in their own feelings to the exclusion of others' feelings. I know more than enough ENFPs to see this trend, and you can even witness it in this very thread. Every type has faults. I take the bad with the good.
    I can understand that I guess. Your experience is your own.

    Just saying I don't do what you do. I don't think in terms of types. I think it's unhealthy. In my opinion. It's easy to start getting a warped and self-confirmed idea of how other people think/behave.


    If I get three different people to say ENTJs are domineering and sadistic bastards, that still doesn't mean they inherently are. One of the best and kindest guys I know is an ENTJ, and I prefer to not assume anything about other ENTJs I know based on personal experience OR MBTI. It's subjective, depends on perspective and predisposition. This is a ENFP hate thread so I'm taking that into consideration, of course. I like knowing how others perceive me.

    I might be too P for this whole MBTI thing. I don't like putting people into boxes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Just saying I don't do what you do. I don't think in terms of types. I think it's unhealthy. In my opinion. It's easy to start getting a warped and self-confirmed idea of how other people think/behave.
    I don't go around looking for XXXX type in order to see if they fit into what that type is supposed to be like. Nearly all of the ENFPs I know, I knew before I ever found out about MBTI; I haven't even known about MBTI for a year yet. I'd already noticed this behavior in them. Now I just better understand why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    I don't go around looking for XXXX type in order to see if they fit into what that type is supposed to be like. Nearly all of the ENFPs I know, I knew before I ever found out about MBTI; I haven't even known about MBTI for a year yet. I'd already noticed this behavior in them. Now I just better understand why.
    Okay, help me understand what I have in common with them someday then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Okay, help me understand what I have in common with them someday then
    I can tell you right now -- a tendency to dismiss criticism, a sense of entitlement, and an "I am what I am, so deal with it" way of thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    I can tell you right now -- a tendency to dismiss criticism, a sense of entitlement, and an "I am what I am, so deal with it" way of thinking.
    Hmm, I don't think you go the point of my posts.

    If I were to figure you all out like that, I could also say you judge people way too soon, with very little info to back you up. Also you do it while stereotyping them, and can't discern understand what it means to play devil's advocate, that is, not necessarily relating to "the criminal" but still being able to be open minded enough to see the various different reasons for a certain behavior.

    But, I just pulled that from my ass though and I don't like to figure you all out just like that. I don't know you. I can't even read your tone or body language or use of sarcasm etc in your posts. They can only tell me so much. And even if they were representative of the way you go about expressing yourself in real life I'd still have to take things like mood and context etc into consideration.


    I'm not dismissing criticism because the criticism wasn't directed at me. Don't understand what sense of entitlement actually means so can't comment on that. "I am what I am so deal with it"...I can agree to that somewhat. But I could only see that as a flaw if I was stepping on anyone's toes.Am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    If I were to figure you all out like that, I could also say you judge people way too soon, with very little info to back you up.
    Ps say that about me. But that is from their perspective. Call me an NJ

    Also you do it while stereotyping them, and can't discern understand what it means to play devil's advocate, that is, not necessarily relating to "the criminal" but still being able to be open minded enough to see the various different reasons for a certain behavior.
    Oh please. You like to throw around the term "stereotyping" a lot. You might want to check the name of the website you are on.

    You must think I've gleaned that perspective only from your posts in this thread. Wrong. And I understand what it means to play devil's advocate. I also know what it means to take an affront on your type as an affront on yourself. We're all guilty of it, to an extent.

    Regardless, I still like you and I've learned much from my conversations with you. Don't believe if I point out negative qualities, that is all I can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Hmm, I don't think you go the point of my posts.

    If I were to figure you all out like that, I could also say you judge people way too soon, with very little info to back you up. Also you do it while stereotyping them, and can't discern understand what it means to play devil's advocate, that is, not necessarily relating to "the criminal" but still being able to be open minded enough to see the various different reasons for a certain behavior.

    But, I just pulled that from my ass though and I don't like to figure you all out just like that. I don't know you. I can't even read your tone or body language or use of sarcasm etc in your posts. They can only tell me so much. And even if they were representative of the way you go about expressing yourself in real life I'd still have to take things like mood and context etc into consideration.


    I'm not dismissing criticism because the criticism wasn't directed at me. Don't understand what sense of entitlement actually means so can't comment on that. "I am what I am so deal with it"...I can agree to that somewhat. But I could only see that as a flaw if I was stepping on anyone's toes.Am I?
    yeah i'm with sy...i sure as hell am not taking any of these comments personally. i value the different perspective and am just trying to relate it to my own experience and figure out how i might hear certain criticisms and what would work better...since sub was asking. i know that i apologize and admit fault when i need to...what i was trying to say was to take away blame if you know they didn't mean to...so they don't feel the need to be defensive...otherwise if they're wrong straight up tell em...and they should be able to hear you and deal with it. i think i just get defensive when i didn't mean to do whatever it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Hmm, I don't think you go the point of my posts.

    If I were to figure you all out like that, I could also say you judge people way too soon, with very little info to back you up. Also you do it while stereotyping them, and can't discern understand what it means to play devil's advocate, that is, not necessarily relating to "the criminal" but still being able to be open minded enough to see the various different reasons for a certain behavior.

    But, I just pulled that from my ass though and I don't like to figure you all out just like that. I don't know you. I can't even read your tone or body language or use of sarcasm etc in your posts. They can only tell me so much. And even if they were representative of the way you go about expressing yourself in real life I'd still have to take things like mood and context etc into consideration.


    I'm not dismissing criticism because the criticism wasn't directed at me. Don't understand what sense of entitlement actually means so can't comment on that. "I am what I am so deal with it"...I can agree to that somewhat. But I could only see that as a flaw if I was stepping on anyone's toes.Am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    Ps say that about me. But that is from their perspective. Call me an NJ
    And call us an ENFP
    It is a trait of ENFPs to accept others for who they are with their flaws, and yes, we do expect the same back. This sometimes means that we might not take criticism very well, or for that matter, that it appears like we dismiss criticism. I think most of us though take criticism onboard more than it shows and consider it carefully. Most of the time though, because we self-reflect a lot (at least I do, dunno about my brothers and sisters here), what you are saying is either not new, or we don't share your point of view, and we have already reflected on it. I personally will actually not be able to hide if you tell me something that I hadn't thought of myself yet. And it will be more than clear that that point I will need time to actually reexamine that part of myself and maybe work in what you've said. This is not an every day occurance however

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    yeah i'm with sy...i sure as hell am not taking any of these comments personally. i value the different perspective and am just trying to relate it to my own experience and figure out how i might hear certain criticisms and what would work better...since sub was asking. i know that i apologize and admit fault when i need to...what i was trying to say was to take away blame if you know they didn't mean to...so they don't feel the need to be defensive...otherwise if they're wrong straight up tell em...and they should be able to hear you and deal with it. i think i just get defensive when i didn't mean to do whatever it is.
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    I just feel that if we explain where we come from, we have a better way of understanding each other and bridging the gap. Ironically, that might actually be perceived as being defensive and make things even more complicated. In reality, it's just my frustration at the misunderstanding and my inability to solve it that on occasion is showing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    And call us an ENFP

    I did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    I did!
    Actually, I'd be interested in hearing your POV, as to why NJs are so quick to make up their mind about people. Coz it's something I don't really dare to do, so it would be intriguing to hear how you guys go about that.
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